Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:08:10 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:08:01 -0500 Received: from c290168-a.stcla1.sfba.home.com ([65.0.213.53]:37358 "HELO top.worldcontrol.com") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:07:53 -0500 From: brian@worldcontrol.com Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:08:39 -0800 To: Dan Hollis Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Money stifles innovation [was: Linux stifles innovation.] Message-ID: <20010218140839.A14166@top.worldcontrol.com> Mail-Followup-To: Brian Litzinger , Dan Hollis , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20010218004456.A13695@top.worldcontrol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.5i In-Reply-To: ; from goemon@anime.net on Sun, Feb 18, 2001 at 12:57:14AM -0800 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > On Sun, 18 Feb 2001 brian@worldcontrol.com wrote: > > About a year later I was talking with a group of business owners who had > > also received a similar demand letter. Some paid, some didn't. Those > > who didn't pay were not pursued other than the occasional copy of the > > demand letter. On Sun, Feb 18, 2001 at 12:57:14AM -0800, Dan Hollis wrote: > The XOR patent and the fraudulent enforcement of it is the purest > embodiment of everything that is wrong with the patent system and IP law. As a person with a some decades of experience with patents and trademarks, and playing among the various sides, I can state quite unequivocally that the problem is money. Courts, or rights, can simply be bought with enough money. And not necessarily in the way you would think. Here is a recent and true example: I owned the domain DemandTV.com, and had applied for a trademark. DirecTV, or DirectV, the satellite people, and subsidiary of Hughes Aerospace, contested my trademark application calling it 'confusingly similar'. Of course its not confusing similar as trademarks go. They started by subpoena'ing anyone that could find related to the trademark. Hours and hours of questions over multiple days. My own lawyers, a well respected big name law firm, said they really had no standing whatsoever and for a measly 1/2 million dollars we'd get the trademark through the PTO process. However, that is not the end. Even though the PTO would have blessed our trademark of DemandTV, it would still be up to District Courts as to decide whether we were infringing. And that is individual district courts all over the country. Hughes/DirectV could file basically as much as they want and we would be required to respond. We could try to sue for injunctive relief, but we would never "win" because we couldn't sustain the hemorrhage'ing of money. So they problem is that they have money and you don't so they win. Hughes was able to obtain the outcome they wanted simply because they had more money. Isn't that the golden rule? "He who has the gold makes the rules." -- Brian Litzinger Copyright (c) 2000 By Brian Litzinger, All Rights Reserved - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/