Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 19:17:17 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 19:17:16 -0500 Received: from holomorphy.com ([66.224.33.161]:55462 "EHLO holomorphy") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 19:17:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:25:55 -0800 From: William Lee Irwin III To: Larry McVoy , Hanna Linder , lse-tech@lists.sf.et, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Minutes from Feb 21 LSE Call Message-ID: <20030222002555.GC10411@holomorphy.com> Mail-Followup-To: William Lee Irwin III , Larry McVoy , Hanna Linder , lse-tech@lists.sf.et, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <96700000.1045871294@w-hlinder> <20030222001618.GA19700@work.bitmover.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030222001618.GA19700@work.bitmover.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Organization: The Domain of Holomorphy Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1731 Lines: 35 On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 04:16:18PM -0800, Larry McVoy wrote: > Ben is right. I think IBM and the other big iron companies would be > far better served looking at what they have done with running multiple > instances of Linux on one big machine, like the 390 work. Figure out > how to use that model to scale up. There is simply not a big enough > market to justify shoveling lots of scaling stuff in for huge machines > that only a handful of people can afford. That's the same path which > has sunk all the workstation companies, they all have bloated OS's and > Linux runs circles around them. Scalability done properly should not degrade performance on smaller machines, Pee Cees, or even microscopic organisms. On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 04:16:18PM -0800, Larry McVoy wrote: > In terms of the money and in terms of installed seats, the small Linux > machines out number the 4 or more CPU SMP machines easily 10,000:1. > And with the embedded market being one of the few real money makers > for Linux, there will be huge pushback from those companies against > changes which increase memory footprint. There's quite a bit of commonality with large x86 highmem there, as the highmem crew is extremely concerned about the kernel's memory footprint and is looking to trim kernel memory overhead from every aspect of its operation they can. Reducing kernel memory footprint is a crucial part of scalability, in both scaling down to the low end and scaling up to highmem. =) -- wli - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/