Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 12:09:47 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 12:09:47 -0500 Received: from pc2-cwma1-4-cust86.swan.cable.ntl.com ([213.105.254.86]:34946 "EHLO irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 12:09:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Minutes from Feb 21 LSE Call From: Alan Cox To: Larry McVoy Cc: Hanna Linder , lse-tech@lists.sf.et, Linux Kernel Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20030222001618.GA19700@work.bitmover.com> References: <96700000.1045871294@w-hlinder> <20030222001618.GA19700@work.bitmover.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Message-Id: <1045938019.5034.9.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.1 (1.2.1-4) Date: 22 Feb 2003 18:20:19 +0000 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1268 Lines: 25 On Sat, 2003-02-22 at 00:16, Larry McVoy wrote: > In terms of the money and in terms of installed seats, the small Linux > machines out number the 4 or more CPU SMP machines easily 10,000:1. > And with the embedded market being one of the few real money makers > for Linux, there will be huge pushback from those companies against > changes which increase memory footprint. I think people overestimate the numbner of large boxes badly. Several IDE pre-patches didn't work on highmem boxes. It took *ages* for people to actually notice there was a problem. The desktop world is still 128-256Mb and some of the crap people push is problematic even there. In the embedded space where there is a *ton* of money to be made by smart people a lot of the 2.5 choices look very questionable indeed - but not all by any means, we are for example close to being able to dump the block layer, shrink stacks down by using IRQ stacks and other good stuff. I'm hoping the Montavista and IBM people will swat each others bogons 8) Alan - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/