Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 14:46:34 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 14:46:34 -0500 Received: from bitmover.com ([192.132.92.2]:9385 "EHLO mail.bitmover.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 14:46:33 -0500 Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:56:42 -0800 From: Larry McVoy To: "Martin J. Bligh" Cc: Mark Hahn , "David S. Miller" , Larry McVoy , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Minutes from Feb 21 LSE Call Message-ID: <20030222195642.GI1407@work.bitmover.com> Mail-Followup-To: Larry McVoy , "Martin J. Bligh" , Mark Hahn , "David S. Miller" , Larry McVoy , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <1510000.1045942974@[10.10.2.4]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1510000.1045942974@[10.10.2.4]> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1550 Lines: 32 On Sat, Feb 22, 2003 at 11:42:55AM -0800, Martin J. Bligh wrote: > >> Dell makes money on many things other than thin-margin PCs. And lo' > > > > Dell's revenue is 53/29/18% desktop/notebook/server; > > 80% of US sales are to businesses. their annual report doesn't > > break out service revenue. > > Interesting. Given the profit margins involved, I bet they still > make more money on servers than desktops and notebooks combined > (the annual report doesn't seem to list that). And that's before > you take account of the "linux weighting" on top of that ... Err, here's a news flash. Dell has just one server with more than 4 CPUS and it tops out at 8. Everything else is clusters. And they call any machine that doesn't have a head a server, they have servers starting $299. Yeah, that's right, $299. http://www.dell.com/us/en/bsd/products/series_pedge_servers.htm How much do you want to bet that more than 95% of their server revenue comes from 4CPU or less boxes? I wouldn't be surprised if it is more like 99.5%. And you can configure yourself a pretty nice quad xeon box for $25K. Yeah, there is some profit in there but nowhere near the huge margins you are counting on to make your case. -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/