Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 03:33:54 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 03:33:54 -0500 Received: from holomorphy.com ([66.224.33.161]:54447 "EHLO holomorphy") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 03:33:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 00:43:05 -0800 From: William Lee Irwin III To: Bill Huey Cc: Larry McVoy , "Martin J. Bligh" , Bill Davidsen , Ben Greear , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: Minutes from Feb 21 LSE Call Message-ID: <20030224084305.GO10411@holomorphy.com> Mail-Followup-To: William Lee Irwin III , Bill Huey , Larry McVoy , "Martin J. Bligh" , Bill Davidsen , Ben Greear , Linux Kernel Mailing List References: <33350000.1046043468@[10.10.2.4]> <20030224045717.GC4215@work.bitmover.com> <20030224074447.GA4664@gnuppy.monkey.org> <20030224075430.GN10411@holomorphy.com> <20030224080052.GA4764@gnuppy.monkey.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030224080052.GA4764@gnuppy.monkey.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Organization: The Domain of Holomorphy Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1383 Lines: 31 On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 11:54:30PM -0800, William Lee Irwin III wrote: >> And scalability is as essential there as it is on 512x/16TB O2K's. >> For this, it's _downward_ scalability, where "downward" is relative to >> "typical" UP x86 boxen. On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 12:00:52AM -0800, Bill Huey wrote: > The good thing about Linux is that, with some compile options, stuff > (scalability) can be insert and removed and any time. One shouldn't > narrow their view of how an OS can be out of a strict tradition. No!! Scalability means the kernel figures out how to adapt to the box. Removing scalability means it no longer adapts to the size of your box. Scalability includes scaling "downward" to smaller systems. On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 12:00:52AM -0800, Bill Huey wrote: > I don't buy this spinlock-for-all-locking things tradition with no > preemption, especially given some of the IO performance improvement > that happened as a courtesy of preempt. Some how that was forgotten > in Larry's discussion. I've largely not been a party to the preempt business. Advances in scheduling semantics are good, but are not my focus. -- wli - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/