Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:07:30 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:07:30 -0500 Received: from wsip68-15-8-100.sd.sd.cox.net ([68.15.8.100]:18050 "EHLO gnuppy.monkey.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:07:29 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 18:17:36 -0800 To: yodaiken@fsmlabs.com Cc: William Lee Irwin III , Andrew Morton , lm@work.bitmover.com, mbligh@aracnet.com, davidsen@tmr.com, greearb@candelatech.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Bill Huey (Hui)" Subject: Re: Minutes from Feb 21 LSE Call Message-ID: <20030225021736.GB4507@gnuppy.monkey.org> References: <33350000.1046043468@[10.10.2.4]> <20030224045717.GC4215@work.bitmover.com> <20030224074447.GA4664@gnuppy.monkey.org> <20030224075430.GN10411@holomorphy.com> <20030224080052.GA4764@gnuppy.monkey.org> <20030224004005.5e46758d.akpm@digeo.com> <20030224085031.GP10411@holomorphy.com> <20030224091758.A11805@hq.fsmlabs.com> <20030224231341.GQ10411@holomorphy.com> <20030224162754.A24766@hq.fsmlabs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030224162754.A24766@hq.fsmlabs.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i From: Bill Huey (Hui) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1358 Lines: 32 On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 04:27:54PM -0700, yodaiken@fsmlabs.com wrote: > I'm not sure what you are complaining about. I don't think there is good > or even marginal data or explanations of this "effect". You don't need data. It's conceptually obvious. If you have a higher priority thread that's not running because another thread of lower priority is hogging the CPU for some unknown operation in the kernel, then you're going be less able to respond to external events from the IO system and other things with respect to a Unix style priority scheduler. That's why we have fully preemptive RTOS to deal with that and priority inheritence, both of which are fundamental to any kind of fixed-priority RTOS. If you're scheduler is scheduling crap, then it's not going to be very effective and scheduling... Rhetorical question... what the hell do you think this is about ? http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5698775833.html It's about getting relationship inside the kernel to respect and be controllable by the scheduler in some formal manner, not some random not-so-well-though-out hack of the day. bill - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/