Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 09:48:13 +0100
From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@gmail.com>
Cc: Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
        Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
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        Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org>,
        Havoc Pennington <havoc.pennington@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: kdbus refactoring?
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On Mon, Nov 09, 2015 at 09:34:37AM +0100, David Herrmann wrote:
> Hi
> 
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 1:53 AM, Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org> wrote:
> > Quoting Documentation/development-process/1.Intro:
> [...]
> >> Years of experience with the kernel development community have taught a
> >> clear lesson: kernel code which is designed and developed behind closed
> >> doors invariably has problems which are only revealed when the code is
> >> released into the community.  Sometimes these problems are severe,
> >> requiring months or years of effort before the code can be brought up to
> >> the kernel community's standards.
> [...]
> > And I've seen you specifically recommend having such conversations early
> > and often.
> 
> I think comparing kdbus to "behind closed doors" development models is
> unfair. We chose to center our development around DBus, not the
> kernel.

And yet it will be the kernel people you ask to take your code. You
don't see something funny with that?

> Anybody who is interested in kdbus discussions could have
> easily joined the DBus and systemd communication channels (and *many*
> people did). I see little reason in cross-posting everything to LKML,
> especially given that our communication is rarely mail-based.

So you want to develop kernel code, but can't be arsed to do it the
kernel way? Gheez, no wonder this all is going so well..
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