Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:11:13 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:11:13 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.1.39]:4545 "EHLO ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:11:12 -0500 From: "Scott Robert Ladd" To: "Hans Reiser" Cc: "Steven Cole" , "Martin J. Bligh" , "LKML" , "Larry McVoy" Subject: RE: Minutes from Feb 21 LSE Call Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:19:55 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3E5BFF10.50105@namesys.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2039 Lines: 46 Hans Reiser wrote > Now it is games that hardware is too slow for. After games, maybe AI > assistants?.... Will you be saying, "My AI doesn't have enough > horsepower to run on, its databases are small and out of date, and it is > providing me worse advice than my wealthy friends get, and providing it > later."? How much will you pay for a good AI to advise you? (I really > like my I-Nav GPS adviser in my mini-van.... money well spent....) Really good AI is predicated on the invention of better algorithms. I do a bit of work in this area; we're a long way from any useful AI -- unless you think Microsoft's "Clippy" qualifies. :) I would love to see "intelligence" in software; IBM's recent "autonomic computing" initiative is marketing hype for a good idea. Programs (including Linux!) should be self-diagnosing, fault tolerant, and self-correcting. We're not there yet on the software side (again). And "smart AI" may not be something people want. Many people distrust machines -- and in gaming, a really good AI simply isn't as important (or desirable) as are pretty graphics (handled by a GPU). > Ok, you win that one.;-) Yeah! ;) > It is interesting that games are the only compelling motivation for > faster desktop hardware these days. It may be part of why we are in a > tech bust. When AIs become hardware purchase drivers, there will likely > be a boom again. I've worked with several game companies; AI just isn't a priority. Games need to be "good enough" to challenge average gamers; people who want a real challenge play online against other humans. Excellent breast physics (Extreme Beach Volleyball) sells games; a crafty, hard-to-defeat AI actually turns off casual players and just isn't "sexy". And now I think we're getting *WAY* off topic. :) ..Scott - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/