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From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
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Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] BK->CVS (real time mirror)
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On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 08:39:19PM -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> I can only speak for myself, but I didn't mind until the license ended
> up having the "unless you hack on other tools" exception in it.
> Personally, I value my freedom to hack on whatever I want a lot more
> than the convenience of BK.  

Yeah, that's cool, I don't blame you, it's a pretty extreme clause.
We may well drop it in the future if we feel we have pulled far enough
ahead that everyone else is just playing catchup.  I do apologize for
that clause, I know it caused a lot of concern, but try and remember that
I'm "you" in that I'm just an engineer figuring this stuff out as I go.
We try and fix it as we go as well so there is hope.

> Having this capability available will certainly make life better for
> everyone involved.  Besides, "we won't hold your data hostage" is
> actually a pretty nice selling argument.

Yup.  I really thought that all the export stuff was !hostage but I
didn't factor in the license issues.

> > As soon as we have this
> > debugged, I'd like to move the CVS repositories to kernel.org (if I can
> > get HPA to agree) 
> 
> I'm sure we can work something out.  However, at the moment
> zeus.kernel.org, our main server with lots and lots of bandwidth, is
> starting to run into its limits, so I can't promise *when* that will
> happen.  Just putting in another server 

We can certainly pay for a server, a server is not that much money and
is not an ongoing cost.  So if that's the problem, I can get you a server
in less than a week, ping me off line and we'll work it out.

The main thing is that the CVS server and the tarball of the CVS repository
are *not* under our control.  That's the only way some people are going to
believe that we're not out to screw them and it would oh-so-nice to have
people think that, it really would.
-- 
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Larry McVoy            	 lm at bitmover.com           http://www.bitmover.com/lm 
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