Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:38:53 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:38:53 -0500 Received: from otter.mbay.net ([206.55.237.2]:2317 "EHLO otter.mbay.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:38:52 -0500 From: John Alvord To: Florian Weimer Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Never ever use word BitKeeper if Larry does not like you Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:49:37 -0800 Message-ID: References: <20030314184009$1b0a@gated-at.bofh.it> <20030314184009$54f5@gated-at.bofh.it> <20030314184009$6d9e@gated-at.bofh.it> <20030314184009$548a@gated-at.bofh.it> <20030314184009$69b1@gated-at.bofh.it> <873clpbovs.fsf@deneb.enyo.de> In-Reply-To: <873clpbovs.fsf@deneb.enyo.de> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.92/32.570 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1558 Lines: 34 On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:48:55 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: >Jeff Garzik writes: > >> Thus, even to have an open source BK export tool requires that key >> BK algorithms be open sourced. > >You can't "open source" algorithms. Unpatented algorithms are always >free to use. > >It's sufficient if somebody looks at the algorithms employed by BK and >documents them in plain English at a very abstract level. (Reading >your properly licensed copy of the BK source code and writing down >your thoughts can't be illegal, can it?) Somebody else can go ahead >and implement them, unencumbered by the BK copyright and BK license. If I were in BitMover, I would treat such advances as trade secrets, like the formula for coca-cola. Trade secrets are ideas/processes which are held privately. From the discussion it feels to me like they have made some real advances in "keeping objects up to date across a hetrogenous collection of systems and with a varying time flow" and publishing that advance would remove their advantage. With patents you have to publish the advance which would provide key direction to competitors. Copyright is OK but also implies publishing. You can keep to formula to coca-cola pretty much forever as long as people want to buy the product. John Alvord - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/