Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262390AbTEAUPn (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 May 2003 16:15:43 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262398AbTEAUPn (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 May 2003 16:15:43 -0400 Received: from mail.casabyte.com ([209.63.254.226]:24590 "EHLO mail.1casabyte.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S262390AbTEAUPl (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 May 2003 16:15:41 -0400 From: "Robert White" To: "David Schwartz" , "Jamie Lokier" Cc: Subject: RE: Why DRM exists [was Re: Flame Linus to a crisp!] Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 13:27:55 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Importance: Normal Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 4541 Lines: 87 It truth, there is no such thing as "intellectual property" by the correct legal definition of property. There was also no intent to create "intellectual property" in the minds of the founders of the United States. The truth of the matter is that Digital Restriction(*) Management isn't even about copyright. We are in the berth pains of the creation of "accessright" law, and nobody has yet demonstrated that such a body of law is, well, legal... let alone necessary for any purpose. The fundamental problem with applying property law (et al) to the domain of ideas is that you can not affect a clean and complete transfer of possession. Anything "intellectual" exists in the pure domain of thought (hence the root "intellect" 8-) and the facts remain that one party, having processed an idea (or set thereof) can not "willfully and completely surrender" the idea out of their head and into someone else's. You see, property is "transferable" but ideas can only be "copied" which is why COPYright contains that word and not some variation of "property". Property rights, patent rights, and copy rights are distinct. That is also why "theft" and what we can generally refer to as "the theft words" never applies these topics no matter how often or loudly someone yells "you stole that idea from me." Notice that you *can* steal a program, program source, manuscript, or copy of a book. To do so you must gain access to (break) and/or variously enter (hence "breaking and entering") a place where such materials reside, and then simultaneously gain possession of said materials and deprive the rightful owner of them. (e.g. you can go take the media, or you could access a computer, copy the information onto a removable media, and then wipe the originals or take a hammer to the computer or something.) So by definition, the presidents of property rights can not reasonably and fully be applied to information and ideas. Worse, absolutely none of the DRM arguments even exist within the presidents of copyright law as a significant subset of the technology and uncertainty only comes into play well after the act of copying is completed. Consider DeCSS. At the time that the CCS ("Content Control System", not "Copy Control System") comes into play, all parties have already agreed that the copy 1) should have been created, 2) should have been assigned, and 3) is completely within the possession of the reasonably correct person. That is, the copy has already been made, and you already have the DVD in your grubby little paws. Further, there is nothing inherent in the CCS system that takes a single step towards controlling the copy of that DVD. If you have the hardware you can make a byte-wise copy of the DVD onto another DVD and both copies will contain identically CCS(ed) image. CCS is about whether you can access what that copy contains in a meaningful way. Some people may access that information with the intent to copy it into a non-CCSed image, but that is a separate follow-on activity that was not even considered when the CCS system was created. The CCS system was invented to solely (and, according to anti-trust law, illegally) tie the one product (a particular DVD) to another (any player with a licensed DeCCS and matching region code). The sticky part is that the constitution does NOT create nor endorse any sort of "accessright" law. Things like the DMCA endeavor to create such a body of law in a back-handed fashion by attempting to convince everybody that copyright always included accessright. If it had, then it would be, and would always have been, legal to sell someone a book and then say, "you may only read this book in a library" and have the force of law behind you to back you up in that restriction. Rob White (Not A Lawyer!) (*) "DRM" is improperly coined as Digital "Rights" Management, but no existing work in the area actually "manages" "rights", the technology singularly and specifically implements restrictions and manages those restrictions. For instance, a DRM system can disallow your access to a work that you actually have the right to access. For instance, a Digital Restriction may prevent you from accessing a work that is in the public domain (e.g. which you have the undisputed and indisputable right to access). - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/