Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262548AbTEFLN0 (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 May 2003 07:13:26 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262563AbTEFLN0 (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 May 2003 07:13:26 -0400 Received: from mail.hometree.net ([212.34.181.120]:40670 "EHLO mail.hometree.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S262548AbTEFLNU (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 May 2003 07:13:20 -0400 To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Path: not-for-mail From: "Henning P. Schmiedehausen" Newsgroups: hometree.linux.kernel Subject: Re: Why DRM exists [was Re: Flame Linus to a crisp!] Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 11:25:51 +0000 (UTC) Organization: INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH Message-ID: References: <1051917020.13756.7.camel@rth.ninka.net> Reply-To: hps@intermeta.de NNTP-Posting-Host: forge.intermeta.de X-Trace: tangens.hometree.net 1052220351 31502 212.34.181.4 (6 May 2003 11:25:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@intermeta.de NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 11:25:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Copyright: (C) 1996-2003 Henning Schmiedehausen X-No-Archive: yes User-Agent: nn/6.6.5 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2270 Lines: 49 "David S. Miller" writes: >Yet I personally am offended by their behavior. You mean that I wrote a >substantial amount of code that makes your damn product even possible >yet I can't boot my very own kernel on your box? Well, thanks a fucking >lot Tivo. Then you shouldn't have given your code away. I personally don't want anyone boot anything on anything linux driven. Consider a linux driven medical appliance that controls your bodily functions after open heart surgery. You don't want the hospital admin to boot a "newer and better, self rolled Linux kernel" on that. It might be even legally required by the medical appliance vendor to make it impossible for a hospital admin to do so. TiVO is an appliance. Not a general purpose computer running Linux connected to a TV. If you want that, assemble it from readily available components. You can't get it for the price of a TiVO? Well, vote with your wallet. If TiVO decides that it don't want to boot non-signed kernels on their appliance, they can do so. If you consider this a GPL violation, sue them. If you don't like it, start hacking it like they do with the X-Box. Or don't buy it. As you yourself said many times, Linux is about freedom. About choice. TiVO has chosen and you don't like it? Well, tough luck. >See, it's not about what you're allowed to do, it's about being nice to >people especially the ones that help you. Linux and the GPL are not about being nice. Just because you wrote parts of the code that I use for writing this message and sending it on the internet does not mean I have to give you elevated priviledges on the system that runs this code. I do appreciate your work and I am grateful for it. However, that's all. Regards Henning -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH hps@intermeta.de +49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ Java, perl, Solaris, Linux, xSP Consulting, Web Services freelance consultant -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/