Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S263833AbTEFP3v (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 May 2003 11:29:51 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S263837AbTEFP3v (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 May 2003 11:29:51 -0400 Received: from mailsrv1-tu0.sanger.ac.uk ([193.62.206.128]:25615 "EHLO mailsrv1.sanger.ac.uk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S263833AbTEFP3t (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 May 2003 11:29:49 -0400 Message-ID: <3EB7D7D9.2050603@thekelleys.org.uk> Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 16:42:17 +0100 From: Simon Kelley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20030121 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "J. Bruce Fields" CC: Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: Binary firmware in the kernel - licensing issues. References: <3EB79ECE.4010709@thekelleys.org.uk> <20030506121954.GO24892@mea-ext.zmailer.org> <20030506151644.GA19898@fieldses.org> In-Reply-To: <20030506151644.GA19898@fieldses.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1866 Lines: 49 J. Bruce Fields wrote: > On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 03:19:54PM +0300, Matti Aarnio wrote: > > > > It's not Atmel whose permission you need to do this, it's the other > kernel developers whose permission you need. By releasing their code > under the GPL, the people who hold copyright on all the other kernel > code have essentially given you permission to modify and redistribute > their code as long as you make source available for the resulting work. > > The question is whether adding this binary blob to the linux kernel > violates the license that the kernel developers gave you. I can't see > how Amtel saying it's OK would make it so. > > --Bruce Fields There are two issues. Atmel don't currently give me permission to distribute their firmware so I need them to fix that. The keyspan wording is one way to do it. Then, as you say, I need to know if the kernel developers have given permission to distribute a work which combines Atmel's blob with their source.[1] If this was code which was linked into the kernel the answer would clearly be no. Since it is not linked to the kernel, and doesn't even run on the same processor as the kernel, the answer is not clear, at least to me. Maybe we need Linus to pronounce, or RMS. Existing practice has several drivers with firmware blobs[2]. What is the status of those? Am I asking Questions Which Should Not Be Asked? Simon. [1] and though I'm not (yet) a holder of copyright on part of the Linux kernel source, I do distribute other software under the GPL so these are my rights we're talking about, too. [2] Acenic, Advansys, Typhoon, Dgrs etc etc - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/