Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262434AbTENPIM (ORCPT ); Wed, 14 May 2003 11:08:12 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262437AbTENPIL (ORCPT ); Wed, 14 May 2003 11:08:11 -0400 Received: from chaos.analogic.com ([204.178.40.224]:16769 "EHLO chaos.analogic.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S262434AbTENPII (ORCPT ); Wed, 14 May 2003 11:08:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:22:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard B. Johnson" X-X-Sender: root@chaos Reply-To: root@chaos.analogic.com To: Larry McVoy cc: Dean McEwan , alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Digital Rights Management - An idea (limited lease, renting, expiration, verification) NON HARWARE BASED. In-Reply-To: <20030514145811.GA14439@work.bitmover.com> Message-ID: References: <20030514135256.26073.qmail@linuxmail.org> <20030514145811.GA14439@work.bitmover.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1828 Lines: 39 On Wed, 14 May 2003, Larry McVoy wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 10:36:43AM -0400, Richard B. Johnson wrote: > > Basically, in many states in the USA, you can't sell or > > lease something that will become worthless or unusable if > > the seller or leasor no longer exists. > > CAD software is mostly leased these days. That would seem to contradict > your position. Can you quote some laws which say that leasing software > is illegal? What did I say? I never implied that leasing software was illegal. What I said was that software that expires after a certain time has certain problems, the most basic of which is that a renter who makes a good-faith effort to pay the rent, must be able to retain ("enjoy") the use of the rented property. If software expires and there is no leasor available for the renter to make a good-faith effort to pay, the property must remain usable until this problem is solved. If software is not capable of remaining useful even after a leasor is no longer available then the software cannot be leased (although it probably can be sold because you can sell anything, including lemon cars as long as the condition of the property is not hidden). Furthermore, companies that sell public stock need to protect the interest of their stockholders. If the viability of one company is dependent upon the continuance of another company, then, as they say in Houston; "We have a problem". Cheers, Dick Johnson Penguin : Linux version 2.4.20 on an i686 machine (797.90 BogoMips). Why is the government concerned about the lunatic fringe? Think about it. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/