Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932393AbdCFWbw (ORCPT ); Mon, 6 Mar 2017 17:31:52 -0500 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:59942 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754058AbdCFWbo (ORCPT ); Mon, 6 Mar 2017 17:31:44 -0500 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 17:30:02 -0500 From: Jessica Yu To: Richard Guy Briggs Cc: Paul Moore , Steve Grubb , Greg Kroah-Hartman , LKML , Steven Rostedt , Linux-Audit Mailing List , Al Viro , Ingo Molnar Subject: Re: Hundreds of null PATH records for *init_module syscall audit logs Message-ID: <20170306223002.GA23805@packer-debian-8-amd64.digitalocean.com> References: <20170301031549.GT18258@madcap2.tricolour.ca> <20170301033704.GU18258@madcap2.tricolour.ca> <2137861.7RBAWtfTXJ@x2> <20170303211454.GK3818@madcap2.tricolour.ca> <20170306214921.GR18258@madcap2.tricolour.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20170306214921.GR18258@madcap2.tricolour.ca> X-OS: Linux eisen.io 3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.32]); Mon, 06 Mar 2017 22:30:03 +0000 (UTC) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 3709 Lines: 70 +++ Richard Guy Briggs [06/03/17 16:49 -0500]: >On 2017-03-03 19:22, Paul Moore wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: >> > On 2017-02-28 23:15, Steve Grubb wrote: >> >> On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 10:37:04 PM EST Richard Guy Briggs wrote: >> >> > Sorry, I forgot to include Cc: in this cover letter for context to the 4 >> >> > alt patches. >> >> > >> >> > On 2017-02-28 22:15, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: >> >> > > The background to this is: >> >> > > https://github.com/linux-audit/audit-kernel/issues/8 >> >> > > >> >> > > In short, audit SYSCALL records for *init_module were occasionally >> >> > > accompanied by hundreds to thousands of null PATH records. >> >> > > >> >> > > I chatted with Al Viro and Eric Paris about this Friday afternoon and >> >> > > they seemed to vaguely recall this issue and didn't have any solid >> >> > > recommendations as to what was the right thing to do (other than the >> >> > > same suggestion from both that I won't print here). >> >> > > >> >> > > It was reproducible on a number of vintages of distributions with >> >> > > default kernels, but triggering on very few of the many modules loaded >> >> > > at boot time. It was reproduced with fs-nfs4 and nfsv4 modules on >> >> > > tracefs, but there are reports of it also happening with debugfs. It >> >> > > was triggering only in __audit_inode_child with a parent that was not >> >> > > found in the task context's audit names_list. >> >> > > >> >> > > I have four potential solutions listed in my order of preference and I'd >> >> > > like to get some feedback about which one would be the most acceptable. >> >> >> >> 0.5 - Notice that we are in *init_module & delete_module and inhibit >> >> generation of any record type except SYSCALL and KERN_MODULE ? There are some >> >> classification routines for -F perms=wrxa that might be used to create a new >> >> class for loading/deleting modules that sets a flag that we use to suppress >> >> some record types. >> > >> > Ok, I was partially able to do this. >> > >> > If I try and catch it in audit_log_start() which is the common point for >> > all the record types to be able to limit to just SYSCALL and >> > KERN_MODULE, there will already be a linked list of hundreds to >> > thousands of audit_names and will still print a non-zero items count in >> > the SYSCALL record. This also sounds like a potentially lazy way to >> > deal with other record spam (like setuid BRPM_FCAPS). >> > >> > If I catch it in __audit_inode_child in the same place as I caught the >> > filesystem type, it is effective for only the PATH record, which is all >> > that is a problem at the moment. >> > >> > It touches nine arch-related files, which is a lot more disruptive than >> > I was hoping. >> >> Blocking PATH record on creation based on syscall *really* seems like >> a bad/dangerous idea. If we want to block all these tracefs/debugfs >> records, let's just block the fs. Although as of right now I'm not a >> fan of blocking anything. > >I agree. What makes me leery of this approach is if a kernel module in >turn accesses directly other files, or bypasses the load_module call to >load another module from a file and avoids logging. AFAIK load_module is *the* entry point for module loading, it is where all the setup occurs in order for a module to be properly set up and registered in our internal data structures (e.g the global modules list). If a module wants another module loaded, it can request for it to be loaded via request_module(), which punts the request to modprobe in userspace to load the module in question, but I'm not sure if that's at all related to this null PATH record issue. Jessica