Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262220AbTEZUYt (ORCPT ); Mon, 26 May 2003 16:24:49 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262222AbTEZUYt (ORCPT ); Mon, 26 May 2003 16:24:49 -0400 Received: from ns.virtualhost.dk ([195.184.98.160]:29158 "EHLO virtualhost.dk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S262220AbTEZUYr (ORCPT ); Mon, 26 May 2003 16:24:47 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 22:38:00 +0200 From: Jens Axboe To: Linus Torvalds Cc: James Bottomley , Linux Kernel Subject: Re: [BK PATCHES] add ata scsi driver Message-ID: <20030526203800.GP845@suse.de> References: <1053976644.2298.194.camel@mulgrave> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2088 Lines: 48 On Mon, May 26 2003, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > On 26 May 2003, James Bottomley wrote: > > > > On Mon, 2003-05-26 at 15:07, Jens Axboe wrote: > > > Alright, so what do you need? Start out with X tags, shrink to Y (based > > > on repeated queue full conditions)? Anything else? > > > > Actually, it's easier than that: just an API to alter the number of tags > > in the block layer (really only the size of your internal hash table). > > The actual heuristics of when to alter the queue depth is the province > > of the individual drivers (although Doug Ledford was going to come up > > with a generic implementation). > > Talking about tagged queueing - does the SCSI layer still remove the > request from the request list when it starts executing it? Yes > At least historically that's a major mistake, and generates a crappy > elevator, because it removes information from the block layer about where > the disk is (or is going to be). Not necessarily, the io schedulers keep track of where we are going. You don't need an active front request for that. > I know Andrew thinks that SCSI tagged queuing is a bunch of crap, and he > has the latency numbers to prove it. He blames the SCSI disks themselves, > but I think it might be the fact that SCSI makes it impossible to make a > fair queuing algorithm for higher levels by hiding information. > > Has anybody looked at just removing the request at command _completion_ > time instead? That's what IDE does, and it's the _right_ thing to do. I know this is a pet peeve of yours (must be, I remember you bringing it up at least 3 time before :), but I don't think that's necessarily true. It shouldn't matter _one_ bit whether you leave the request there or not, it's unmergeable. As long as the io scheduler keeps track of this (and it does!) we are golden. -- Jens Axboe - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/