Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S264070AbTE0SLc (ORCPT ); Tue, 27 May 2003 14:11:32 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S264050AbTE0SKr (ORCPT ); Tue, 27 May 2003 14:10:47 -0400 Received: from host-64-213-145-173.atlantasolutions.com ([64.213.145.173]:8660 "EHLO havoc.gtf.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S264063AbTE0SJ3 (ORCPT ); Tue, 27 May 2003 14:09:29 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:22:41 -0400 From: Jeff Garzik To: Ricky Beam Cc: Linus Torvalds , Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: Linux 2.5.70 Message-ID: <20030527182241.GF21744@gtf.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1356 Lines: 35 On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 02:09:43PM -0400, Ricky Beam wrote: > On Tue, 27 May 2003, Linus Torvalds wrote: > >On Tue, 27 May 2003, Ricky Beam wrote: > >> > >> Count up the number of drivers that haven't been updated to the current > >> PCI, hotplug, and modules interfaces. > > > >Tough. If people don't use them, they don't get supported. It's that easy. > ... > > Allow me to clarify... I don't mind drivers not working. I *do* mind > drivers emitting hundreds of warnings and errors because dozens of things > were changed and no one cared to update everything they broke. In some > cases, fixing things may be simple (eg. someone removed or renamed a field > in a struct somewhere) and in others years of work my be required (eg. > the new module interface.) > > In my opinion (as it was in the long long ago), everything in a "stable" > release should at least compile cleanly -- "working" comes later after > users have been conned into using it. No. Doing this hides bugs. We use the compiler to make bugs and needing-work areas blindingly obviously. Your suggesting we make them less so. Jeff - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/