Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S264785AbTE1QAr (ORCPT ); Wed, 28 May 2003 12:00:47 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S264787AbTE1QAr (ORCPT ); Wed, 28 May 2003 12:00:47 -0400 Received: from tmr-02.dsl.thebiz.net ([216.238.38.204]:9732 "EHLO gatekeeper.tmr.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S264785AbTE1QAp (ORCPT ); Wed, 28 May 2003 12:00:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:08:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Davidsen To: Ricky Beam cc: Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: Linux 2.5.70 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1752 Lines: 41 On Tue, 27 May 2003, Ricky Beam wrote: > On Tue, 27 May 2003, Linus Torvalds wrote: > >On Tue, 27 May 2003, Ricky Beam wrote: > >> > >> Count up the number of drivers that haven't been updated to the current > >> PCI, hotplug, and modules interfaces. > > > >Tough. If people don't use them, they don't get supported. It's that easy. > ... > > Allow me to clarify... I don't mind drivers not working. I *do* mind > drivers emitting hundreds of warnings and errors because dozens of things > were changed and no one cared to update everything they broke. In some > cases, fixing things may be simple (eg. someone removed or renamed a field > in a struct somewhere) and in others years of work my be required (eg. > the new module interface.) > > In my opinion (as it was in the long long ago), everything in a "stable" > release should at least compile cleanly -- "working" comes later after > users have been conned into using it. See the stats posted to lkml from time to time on errors and warnings. The 2.4 stable kernels don't compile cleanly, with some combinations of config options they may not compile at all. The ones which compile and work, even with all manner of warnings, are a good place to start doing some housekeeping and sending it back to the maintainer. Maintainers vary on their desire to push cosmetic fixes into working code, even when they are correct. -- bill davidsen CTO, TMR Associates, Inc Doing interesting things with little computers since 1979. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/