Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S264898AbTFCCXS (ORCPT ); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 22:23:18 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S264899AbTFCCXS (ORCPT ); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 22:23:18 -0400 Received: from mail.casabyte.com ([209.63.254.226]:32781 "EHLO mail.1casabyte.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S264898AbTFCCXO (ORCPT ); Mon, 2 Jun 2003 22:23:14 -0400 From: "Robert White" To: , "Mike Dresser" Cc: , Subject: RE: Hyper-threading Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 19:36:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 4330 Lines: 92 Note to US consumers (or people purchasing things through any US institution or facility) WRT this sort of thing. If, in deed, your ordered this thing under a set of specifications that it isn't meeting (e.g. the gigabit isn't there but it is on the listing from the advertisement etc. the seller is all sorts of liable. (I am presuming wrong doing, if you just didn't shop around but you did get what you ordered, this doesn't apply to you 8-) Particularly if you used a credit card. The things to do (and these really do work.) 1) (no matter what kind of payment was used) go to http://www.ftc.gov and file a complaint. This is something between advertising and wire fraud and there are armies of petty bureaucrats at the FTC who live to vent spleen on that sort of thing. Example: Bank of America "held" a _certified_ check my roommate deposited into his account, even after the funds cleared the issuing account. He had proof. There is a %1000 fine for that (yes, three zeros!) and BofA paid just over 60,000.00(USD) in fines for "being slick" with his account. The more proof you have (print out of the advertisement or web page etc) the more likely you are to get satisfaction; mention what proof you have etc in the complaint. 2) If you used a credit card (again on a US bank or institution) complain to your bank and/or the lead company (e.g. Visa Corp for a purchase made with any thing imprinted with a "Visa" logo). The person or entity who listed the charge against your account has an agreement with the issuing bank or the main company that, among other things, makes them liable to provide the goods or services paid for, or to make good on the mistake, or to abrogate the sale. They have also agreed not to be fraudulent about their actions since Visa Corp (et al) cant make you pay for charges that are inappropriate. Even "all sales are final" notices accompanying a sale do not supercede this agreement if what was delivered didn't match what was purchased. A business can lose it's entire ability to process a card (e.g. Visa will pull their contract, and that can end a business) for something as small as one failure to perform. It's amazing how quickly a business will bend over and get all helpful if they get caught out and you actually make the call. It all boils down to proof. Did you print that "receipt" page? Do you have the invoice? Did you (can you) print the Advertisement? Does it say it will on the box? All these things are useful as proof. At the very least, if they didn't deliver, you may not have to pay. And remember, a merchant can disclaim fitness for a particular purpose ("you balancing your checkbook" for example) but they can not "disclaim" anything in the sales agreement, and claims on the page and on the box are therefore binding no matter what they say. Call the merchant one more time. Get the name of the guy you are talking to. Say "This product doesn't do what the box says it will. Replace this with something that does, or give me my money back, or my next calls will be fraud complaints to my bank, Visa corp., and the F.T.C." Ask for his supervisor, get his name, repeat your statement. If/when they say no, thank them for their time politely. Then assert your right not to be screwed... Rob. -----Original Message----- From: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org [mailto:linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org]On Behalf Of Richard B. Johnson Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 9:59 AM To: Mike Dresser Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; linux-smp@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Hyper-threading These were purchased together to be a "hyper-thread" board for my new system. I have always had two CPUs since SMP became available, and I wanted to experiment with the new "single-CPU" SMP architecture. I got ripped off. I got sold a board that doesn't have the gigibit adapter populated plus, you can't tell from a distance because the connector is present, but has some metal tape covering the hole. This board costs $275 plus the CPU was $635. I got badly raped and the vendor won't take them back. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/