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From: "Chris Harrison" <java_solutions@bigpond.com>
To: "Alfie John" <alfiejohn@hotmail.com>, <jobs@interlogic.com.au>,
       <vox@lists.lugod.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
       <ajug@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [ajug] [OT] joining the "elite" team
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:26:50 -0700
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Yep, I totally agree, its unacceptable, a few points:

"...with FIRST CLASS HONOURS  in Computer Science or a similar degree..."
then "...must be a UNIVERSITY graduate...".
The former cancels the latter.  Although, they might be making a point that
'internet degrees' from Spam mail don't count.

"...who is REALLY EXCEPTIONALLY GOOD at it...", as opposed to really crap at
it?  or maybe partially exceptional at it?

And the best one, "[our company]...is very sophisticated."  Yes, like the
sophisticated advertisement you came up with.

My five year old daughter actually has better grasp of grammar than this
ad...

Chris.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alfie John [mailto:alfiejohn@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2003 7:49 PM
> To: jobs@interlogic.com.au; vox@lists.lugod.org;
> linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; ajug@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ajug] [OT] joining the "elite" team
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I write to you in response to an add I saw at seek.com.au,
> "OBJECT ORIENTED
> PROGRAMMER -MELBOURNE RECENT GRADUATE" -
> http://it.seek.com.au/users/viewdetails.asp?Action=jobsearch&JobLi
> stAction=ViewOneAd&JobSearch=true&AdID=2731247
>
> I find this add highly arrogant and highly contradictive.
>
> You start with "seeking for ...FIRST CLASS HONOURS", however your add is
> basically searching for a top class, 313373 computer geek. As
> history shows,
> even hacker's hackers like RMS and Linus had not-so "first class" grades
> while in high school AND at uni because they were too busy with selfish
> delites such as churning through kernel code.
>
> The next contradictive statement is "She or he must have an INTRINSIC
> understanding of computing". But later you provide insight to
> your company
> with "The applications are an amalgam of complex business processes,
> maximisation of resources, and require considerable mathematical
> acumen." In
> other words, you need MS Excel shitkickers with knowledge in business
> management with contemporary management skills and not elite coders with
> sk1llZ. Also, I don't really understand why "indepth knowledge of OOP" is
> going to help me with optimizing functions with spreadsheets.
>
> "The company only employs THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST"; followed by
> "It is very
> sophisticated." and the even more arrogant "An average person
> will be unable
> to keep up with the high intellectual horsepower generated by the
> members of
> this elite team.". This tells the reader that you MUST have the
> worlds best
> coders under your organization and yet you are "GROWING AND PROFITABLE".
>
> I must go now with my pittyful programming skills which are no where near
> the "EXCEPTIONALLY GOOD" skills that your company is looking for, but I
> smile just to know that this email is going to be forwarded to
> programmers
> around the world with a link to your add to show just what an
> "elite team"
> you really are!
>
> int 20h;
> Alfie John
>
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