Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 21:08:53 +0200
From: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org>
To: Bjorn Andersson <bjorn.andersson@linaro.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] firmware: wake all waiters
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On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:59:15AM -0700, Bjorn Andersson wrote:
> On Tue 27 Jun 11:03 PDT 2017, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> [..]
> > Let's consider a crazy case where the uevent gets triggered, and userspace goes
> > and signals Elon Musk somehow to transmit the needed firmware from Mars through
> > a serial satellite link to earth, and somehow someday the device is finally
> > ready to upload firmware from userspace. Once Elon's firmware lands home, we
> > know all needed firmware has arrived so anything missing we can acknowledge now
> > as missing, so we upload what we can and kick firmward into final-mode to tell
> > the kernel we know we're really ready and any pending things will have to be
> > given up.
> > 
> > This would prove the custom fallback crap was also never needed.
> > 
> 
> Are you saying that each kernel driver should be written so that it will
> either do direct loading or use firmwared?

Hell No! You can fork firmwared or use whatever the hell bin-foo you want.
Even if its proprietary and glued with evil rainbow unicorns on it.  The dual
mode, best-effort mode and final-mode devices it implemented are key to what
you want to mimic as an example to achieve the goal in question.

Please give that thought / architecture solution a spin and let me know if
it suffices for your needs.

  Luis