Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S266046AbTFWNub (ORCPT ); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:50:31 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S266047AbTFWNub (ORCPT ); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:50:31 -0400 Received: from pub237.cambridge.redhat.com ([213.86.99.237]:4310 "EHLO passion.cambridge.redhat.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S266046AbTFWNua (ORCPT ); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:50:30 -0400 Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Troll Tech [was Re: Sco vs. IBM] From: David Woodhouse To: Larry McVoy Cc: Stephan von Krawczynski , jgarzik@pobox.com, lawrence@the-penguin.otak.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20030623133714.GB4302@work.bitmover.com> References: <20030620001217.G6248@almesberger.net> <20030620120910.3f2cb001.skraw@ithnet.com> <20030620142436.GB14404@work.bitmover.com> <20030620143012.GC14404@work.bitmover.com> <20030620163349.GG17563@work.bitmover.com> <20030621142048.2ae63afa.skraw@ithnet.com> <20030621133831.GA10089@work.bitmover.com> <1056358467.29264.41.camel@passion.cambridge.redhat.com> <20030623132231.GC6715@work.bitmover.com> <1056375161.29264.178.camel@passion.cambridge.redhat.com> <20030623133714.GB4302@work.bitmover.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1056377073.29264.200.camel@passion.cambridge.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-5.dwmw2) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:04:33 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1852 Lines: 42 On Mon, 2003-06-23 at 14:37, Larry McVoy wrote: > > Neither am I arguing that you, personally, should be trying to make a > > living by support alone -- I'm merely observing a trend. > > And I'm pointing out that the logic on which that trend is based has some > severe problems. Ah, but attempting to associate observed trends with actual logic is a fruitless task attempted only by economists and loons :) > I don't know about you, but I don't want to be part of > a business who's business model is to ship incomplete or broken software > and then charge to fix it. Well there we have a different viewpoint -- I work on kernel code where it's generally accepted that new hardware renders old stuff obsolete quite quickly, and particularly on _embedded_ stuff, where companies are bringing out new toys which need Linux to support them all the time. And even if my viewpoint were different I'm not convinced I agree with you -- after all, this isn't a problem which is specific to Free Software, surely? If you produce the perfect word processor or a car which doesn't rust, you never get repeat business either :) The continuation of the business depends, in _all_ cases, on the fact that you add new features, fix bugs, etc. Unless you go into the rental business, I suppose. Now, if you were to stand up and declare 'Free Software and sales of proprietary software are doomed -- everyone needs to lease their software if they want their business to survive', I'd certainly have a harder time arguing with you, although I'm not utterly convinced I'd actually believe that either. -- dwmw2 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/