Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S264192AbTFWP3Q (ORCPT ); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:29:16 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S264271AbTFWP3Q (ORCPT ); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:29:16 -0400 Received: from mail.ithnet.com ([217.64.64.8]:5641 "HELO heather.ithnet.com") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S264192AbTFWP3L (ORCPT ); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:29:11 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:43:17 +0200 From: Stephan von Krawczynski To: Larry McVoy Cc: coyote@coyotegulch.com, lm@bitmover.com, dwmw2@infradead.org, jgarzik@pobox.com, lawrence@the-penguin.otak.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Troll Tech [was Re: Sco vs. IBM] Message-Id: <20030623174317.0d937ee4.skraw@ithnet.com> In-Reply-To: <20030623150616.GA20103@work.bitmover.com> References: <20030620001217.G6248@almesberger.net> <20030620120910.3f2cb001.skraw@ithnet.com> <20030620142436.GB14404@work.bitmover.com> <20030620143012.GC14404@work.bitmover.com> <20030620163349.GG17563@work.bitmover.com> <20030623150616.GA20103@work.bitmover.com> Organization: ith Kommunikationstechnik GmbH X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.2 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2333 Lines: 44 On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:06:16 -0700 Larry McVoy wrote: > Your model is fine, there is nothing wrong with it but there isn't a lot > right with it either. You can't really grow your business under that > model. Why? Because you are essentially a consulting shop and that > isn't going to generate the revenue you need to hire more people, build > more things, get more consulting. You can keep yourself going but not > make enough to get more people going. Hm, you shouldn't possibly hire in management of one of the several SAP consultant companies ;-) > Instead of coming back at me with the premise of "well, I'm eating so my > model is OK" how about coming back with a plan that says "Here's how we > make an open source based business put Microsoft out of business". That's > reality. You are just playing around on the edges, there is nothing > wrong with that, but until you have a viable plan that competes with the > big boys let's stop kidding ourselves, ok? Well, Larry, probably you should not wonder about not getting suggestions how to put M$ out of business by consulting for a bitkeeper-like software application. I guess that wouldn't really work out. If you are looking for competing with M$ you should call up one of the linux distributors and merge with them. It does not really look like RH or SuSE do all that bad (to name examples). And I do believe they could earn a lot more bucks if (even) more focus is put on consulting. To my knowledge a consulting company can scale just as well as a (software) manufacturing company. For sure this type of business is more complex, but nevertheless I can very well see more income per customer by service contracts or the like. I mean this is an original M$ statement: "compared to the TCO the prizing of our product is not interesting", which basically reads: you have to spend the big bucks _after_ you bought the software... Which sums up to the point where M$ and open source people basically tell you the same thing, only you are no believer (don't take this as critics). Regards, Stephan - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/