Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S264769AbTFWQC2 (ORCPT ); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:02:28 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S264806AbTFWQBj (ORCPT ); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:01:39 -0400 Received: from pub237.cambridge.redhat.com ([213.86.99.237]:34264 "EHLO passion.cambridge.redhat.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S264769AbTFWP7g (ORCPT ); Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:59:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Troll Tech [was Re: Sco vs. IBM] From: David Woodhouse To: Larry McVoy Cc: Scott Robert Ladd , Stephan von Krawczynski , jgarzik@pobox.com, lawrence@the-penguin.otak.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20030623153952.GB20103@work.bitmover.com> References: <20030620142436.GB14404@work.bitmover.com> <20030620143012.GC14404@work.bitmover.com> <20030620163349.GG17563@work.bitmover.com> <20030621142048.2ae63afa.skraw@ithnet.com> <20030621133831.GA10089@work.bitmover.com> <1056358467.29264.41.camel@passion.cambridge.redhat.com> <20030623132231.GC6715@work.bitmover.com> <3EF70EF8.3050107@coyotegulch.com> <20030623150616.GA20103@work.bitmover.com> <1056382357.29264.281.camel@passion.cambridge.redhat.com> <20030623153952.GB20103@work.bitmover.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1056384816.29264.350.camel@passion.cambridge.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-5.dwmw2) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:13:36 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1682 Lines: 42 On Mon, 2003-06-23 at 16:39, Larry McVoy wrote: > That's probably a good enough test case. Explain to me how your support > contracts are ever going to provide enough money to redo GCC or build > something equally substantial. > I'm not saying that you can't make a living doing support, you obviously > can. I'm saying that it doesn't produce enough income to do what needs > to be done. Now we actually isolate a point on which perhaps we disagree. If there are things which _need_ to be done, but which no individual customer is willing to pay for in Free Software, one of the following things will happen: 1. They'll revert to proprietary software. 2. They'll club together with other users of the software and fund it. 3. The contractors (us) will 'tax' them enough on the stuff they _are_ willing to pay for to do it in the background. I see plenty of evidence that #2 and #3 are actually happening in real life. I've also seen a lot of #1 of course, but I suspect its frequency will be decreasing over the coming years. I certainly wouldn't assert that #1 will die out altogether, but neither will the non-existence of #2 and #3 cause the Free Software bubble to burst. > If it did then CVS would be BK, for example. That's possibly a better example than your previous one of GCC, but without disrespect to your achievements I still suspect it would have happened, and indeed will happen, eventually. -- dwmw2 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/