Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:15:32 +0100
From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
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Subject: Re: DVB Include files
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On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 08:09:51PM +0200, Marcus Metzler wrote:
>  > If the structures change incompatibly you're fucked anyway.  Better
> 
> Not necessarily, e.g. changing
> 
> #define AUDIO_SET_ATTRIBUTES       _IOW('o', 17, audio_attributes_t)
> #define AUDIO_SET_KARAOKE          _IOW('o', 18, audio_karaoke_t)
> 
> to 
> 
> #define AUDIO_SET_ATTRIBUTES       _IOW('o', 47, audio_attributes_t)
> #define AUDIO_SET_KARAOKE          _IOW('o', 48, audio_karaoke_t)
> 
> or

In that case yes, you are screwed.  Your ABI just changed incompatibly.

> Anyway, even in user/include it should be under linux/dvb because
> that's just what it is Linux DVB. So the app has to include
> <linux/dvb/xxx.h>. 

No!  <linux/*.h> is the namesapce for kernelheaders.  Currently they're
still in the the user includes, too (due to legacy reasons).  The
DVD API must move to a directory outside <linux/dvb>.

If you userland packages add headers to /usr/include/linux/ they
are totally bogus.

> I don't care what distributions do. When I get a new kernel (no
> packages), I use the includes from that kernel and compile my apps
> with that.

And that's wrong.  You must always compile against the kernel headers
that your libc was compiled against.

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