From: Milian Wolff <milian.wolff@kdab.com>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org,
        Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
        linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org
Subject: Re: broken cycle counts from perf record in frequency mode [Was: Re: deducing CPU clock rate over time from cycle samples]
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2017 16:35:15 +0200
Message-ID: <1788258.9pJ1GNok8V@milian-kdab2>
Organization: KDAB
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On Friday, September 1, 2017 6:48:20 PM CEST Andi Kleen wrote:
> Milian Wolff <milian.wolff@kdab.com> writes:
> > do you have any input on this issue? I really wonder why noone else is
> > complaining about the frequency mode being unreliable or right out broken
> > in many situations. Since it's the default mode, I think this urgently
> > needs to be investigated - it makes perf unusable for a large group of
> > users who want to use it but don't know about `-c N` as a workaround...
> 
> It's likely related due to the frequency algorithm starting with 0.  So
> at the beginning the samples are very fast (like 1 cycle) and likely
> something breaks down in perf or your frequency calculation for very
> short samples.
> 
> Also for inherited events this happens on every fork. If you
> trace fork events too you'll likely see it correlated.
> If you use -a and disable inheritance (no-inherit=1) it will
> also likely be only at the beginning.
> 
> However I fail to see what it would actually break. The frequency
> just needs to be roughly accurate over the whole measurement
> period to get good sampling coverage. But there's nothing
> in the profile that uses the actual frequency. It's just a means
> to get samples, not a measurement by itself.

The cycle value gets associated with a sample via it's period value, which is 
used by `perf report` in the analysis. If I get a single "broken" sample with 
a cycle count of, say 1E14 and then a million other samples, each with "sane" 
cycle counts of let's say 1E5, then the one broken sample will hold 50% of the 
total amount of measured cycles. So perf report will show that the function 
where the broken sample points to will have a cost of 50%.

To me, this is clearly a really big issue. Don't you think so too?

Thanks

-- 
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KDAB (Deutschland) GmbH&Co KG, a KDAB Group company
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