Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262465AbTGOFbI (ORCPT ); Tue, 15 Jul 2003 01:31:08 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262584AbTGOFbI (ORCPT ); Tue, 15 Jul 2003 01:31:08 -0400 Received: from ns.virtualhost.dk ([195.184.98.160]:37776 "EHLO virtualhost.dk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S262465AbTGOFbF (ORCPT ); Tue, 15 Jul 2003 01:31:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:45:51 +0200 From: Jens Axboe To: Andrea Arcangeli Cc: Andrew Morton , Chris Mason , marcelo@conectiva.com.br, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, sct@redhat.com, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, jgarzik@pobox.com, akpm@digeo.com, viro@math.psu.edu Subject: Re: RFC on io-stalls patch Message-ID: <20030715054551.GD833@suse.de> References: <20030714131206.GJ833@suse.de> <20030714195138.GX833@suse.de> <20030714202434.GS16313@dualathlon.random> <1058214881.13313.291.camel@tiny.suse.com> <20030714224528.GU16313@dualathlon.random> <1058229360.13317.364.camel@tiny.suse.com> <20030714175238.3eaddd9a.akpm@osdl.org> <20030715020706.GC16313@dualathlon.random> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030715020706.GC16313@dualathlon.random> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2765 Lines: 61 On Tue, Jul 15 2003, Andrea Arcangeli wrote: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 05:52:38PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote: > > Chris Mason wrote: > > > > > > If we go back to Jens' numbers: > > > > > > ctar_load: > > > Kernel [runs] Time CPU% Loads LCPU% Ratio > > > 2.4.22-pre5 3 235 114.0 25.0 22.1 1.75 > > > 2.4.22-pre5-axboe 3 194 138.1 19.7 20.6 1.46 > > > ^^^^^^ > > > The loads column is the number of times ctar_load managed to run during > > > the kernel compile, and the patched kernel loses each time. This must > > > partially be caused by the lower run time overall, but it is still > > > important data. It would be better if contest gave us some kind of > > > throughput numbers (avg load time or something). > > > > Look at the total CPU utilisation. It went from 136% to 159% while both > > loads made reasonable progress. Goodness. > > if you look at the cpu utilization, stopping more the writer will > generate a cpu utilization even higher, would you mind if Loads shows 15 Correct > instead of 19.7 so the CPU% can go from 138 to 148 and LCPU only goes > down from 20.6 to 18.8? Problem is, how much should the writer be > stopped. The LCPU will be almost constant, it's I/O bound anyways. So > the more you stop the writer the higher the global cpu utilization will > be. This doesn't automatically mean goodness. The above case is pretty much only goodness though, ratio of loads/time unit is about the same and we complete the workload much quicker (because of the higher cpu util). > But my argument is that a patch that can generate indefinite starvation > for every writer (given enough parallel sync reades), and that can as > well lock into ram an excessive amount of ram (potentially all ram in > the box) isn't goodness from my point of view. Yes that one has been stated a few times. > Having a separate read queue, limited in bytes, sounds ok instead, > especially if it can generate results like the above. Heuristics > optimizing common cases are fine, as far as they're safe for the corner > cases too. I don't even think that is necessary, I feel fine with just the single queue free list. I just want to make sure that some reads can get in, while the queue maintains flooded by writes 99.9% of the time (trivial scenario, unlike the 'read starving all writers, might as well SIGSTOP tar' work load you talk about). -- Jens Axboe - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/