Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753385AbdLMPjg (ORCPT ); Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:39:36 -0500 Received: from mail-qt0-f172.google.com ([209.85.216.172]:38882 "EHLO mail-qt0-f172.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753359AbdLMPje (ORCPT ); Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:39:34 -0500 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBosOinhKCZ1axSwzVbNl6K68OIjsRW2tg5+XVIKALkOC+ZToPqwNwVINFTp7eWOf4dPiEwpV1A== Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 07:39:30 -0800 From: Tejun Heo To: Jan Kara Cc: Jens Axboe , cgroups@vger.kernel.org, xuejiufei , kernel-team@fb.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] writeback: synchronize sync(2) against cgroup writeback membership switches Message-ID: <20171213153930.GO3919388@devbig577.frc2.facebook.com> References: <20171205182007.GV2421075@devbig577.frc2.facebook.com> <8844b550-d91c-38d5-997a-a899d1e4aa42@gmail.com> <20171211195052.GN2421075@devbig577.frc2.facebook.com> <20171212163830.GC3919388@devbig577.frc2.facebook.com> <20171213110004.GB23068@quack2.suse.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20171213110004.GB23068@quack2.suse.cz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 828 Lines: 24 Hello, On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 12:00:04PM +0100, Jan Kara wrote: > OK, but this effectively prevents writeback from sync_inodes_sb() to ever > make inode switch wbs. Cannot that be abused in some way like making sure > writeback of our memcg is "invisible" by forcing it out using sync(2)? It > just looks a bit dangerous to me... That's true. There are a couple mitigating factors tho. * While it can delay switching during sync(2), it'll all still be recorded and the switch will happen soon if needed. * sync(2) is hugely disruptive with or without this and can easily be used to DOS the whole system. People are working on restricting the blast radius of sync(2) to mitigate this problem, which most likely make this a non-problem too. If you can think of a better solution, I'm all ears. Thanks. -- tejun