Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754148AbdLNXHA (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Dec 2017 18:07:00 -0500 Received: from hqemgate14.nvidia.com ([216.228.121.143]:17228 "EHLO hqemgate14.nvidia.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754147AbdLNXG6 (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Dec 2017 18:06:58 -0500 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by hqpgpgate101.nvidia.com on Thu, 14 Dec 2017 15:06:57 -0800 Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] mmap.2: MAP_FIXED updated documentation To: Jann Horn , Michal Hocko CC: Michael Kerrisk , Linux API , Khalid Aziz , Michael Ellerman , Andrew Morton , Russell King - ARM Linux , Andrea Arcangeli , , LKML , linux-arch , Florian Weimer , Matthew Wilcox , Mike Rapoport , Cyril Hrubis , Pavel Machek , Michal Hocko References: <20171213092550.2774-1-mhocko@kernel.org> <20171213093110.3550-1-mhocko@kernel.org> <20171213093110.3550-2-mhocko@kernel.org> X-Nvconfidentiality: public From: John Hubbard Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 15:06:56 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: [10.110.48.28] X-ClientProxiedBy: HQMAIL102.nvidia.com (172.18.146.10) To HQMAIL107.nvidia.com (172.20.187.13) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 3139 Lines: 74 On 12/13/2017 06:52 PM, Jann Horn wrote: > On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Michal Hocko wrote: >> From: John Hubbard [...] >> +.IP >> +Furthermore, this option is extremely hazardous (when used on its own), because >> +it forcibly removes pre-existing mappings, making it easy for a multi-threaded >> +process to corrupt its own address space. > > I think this is worded unfortunately. It is dangerous if used > incorrectly, and it's a good tool when used correctly. > > [...] >> +Thread B need not create a mapping directly; simply making a library call >> +that, internally, uses >> +.I dlopen(3) >> +to load some other shared library, will >> +suffice. The dlopen(3) call will map the library into the process's address >> +space. Furthermore, almost any library call may be implemented using this >> +technique. >> +Examples include brk(2), malloc(3), pthread_create(3), and the PAM libraries >> +(http://www.linux-pam.org). > > This is arkward. This first mentions dlopen(), which is a very niche > case, and then just very casually mentions the much bigger > problem that tons of library functions can allocate memory through > malloc(), causing mmap() calls, sometimes without that even being > a documented property of the function. > Hi Jann, Here is some proposed new wording, to address your two comments above. What do you think of this: NOTE: this option can be hazardous (when used on its own), because it forcibly removes pre-existing mappings, making it easy for a multi- threaded process to corrupt its own address space. For example, thread A looks through /proc//maps and locates an available address range, while thread B simultaneously acquires part or all of that same address range. Thread A then calls mmap(MAP_FIXED), effectively overwriting the mapping that thread B created. Thread B need not create a mapping directly; simply making a library call whose implementation calls malloc(3), mmap(), or dlopen(3) will suffice, because those calls all create new mappings. >> +.IP >> +Newer kernels >> +(Linux 4.16 and later) have a >> +.B MAP_FIXED_SAFE >> +option that avoids the corruption problem; if available, MAP_FIXED_SAFE >> +should be preferred over MAP_FIXED. > > This is bad advice. MAP_FIXED is completely safe if you use it on an address > range you've allocated, and it is used in this way by core system libraries to > place multiple VMAs in virtually contiguous memory, for example: [...] > MAP_FIXED is a better solution for these usecases than MAP_FIXED_SAFE, > or whatever it ends up being called. Please remove this advice or, better, > clarify what MAP_FIXED should be used for (creation of virtually contiguous > VMAs) and what MAP_FIXED_SAFE should be used for (attempting to > allocate memory at a fixed address for some reason, with a failure instead of > the normal fallback to using a different address). > Rather than risk another back-and-forth with Michal (who doesn't want any advice on how to use this safely, in the man page), I've simply removed this advice entirely. thanks, -- John Hubbard NVIDIA