Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1759949AbdLRRSJ convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Mon, 18 Dec 2017 12:18:09 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:60414 "EHLO mout.gmx.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1759917AbdLRRSD (ORCPT ); Mon, 18 Dec 2017 12:18:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1513617456.7113.25.camel@gmx.de> Subject: Re: NFS: 82ms wakeup latency 4.14-rc4 From: Mike Galbraith To: "J. Bruce Fields" Cc: lkml , Jeff Layton , linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 18:17:36 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1513616405.7113.18.camel@gmx.de> References: <1513610231.7998.13.camel@gmx.de> <1513611112.7113.1.camel@gmx.de> <20171218163559.GA11829@fieldses.org> <1513616405.7113.18.camel@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.20.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:hRLoQFGKFmzM5sE0JQ+yiL3tJ/cXlYCgGgghuAA6Qd9u+XgaXtP 80lgkFtDTV6By+er25cr3yNnlGPBkuIIfqhFNKEEOSR9SUUDRrTMXpBD4bJ4XFHY8EBckoK aS/aAOgvRCe6m0wRHRrJOfjZj8agIDDfHaynyOUA9UelcESp5NhB4IIO0B3Y9beQaCotJck naJq26aqD7X/hzXN/IccQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:SGNYJyYoU70=:JpXoDBzmqrpgOTvMPsVepY ZP9CTz0AC2v5iD7/JtOOz2xaUfBHy8gXuxJiNSViecerDvmu9Z0GpN9Bu5f7FgMeCclHSLJOY kAMJpZK5hV4dLAaX4yG/Icfogc/eattvpBe9qzdCchSKGLw16UtLxWmIUApM5kjwGzFPuUy2f HU70wa8kbcpbh2USZcURDkUq3pcKzfipldBVgYXZ3sUwJ/bA6qP48jF/0MwWlmomZ7Uvqj97L 95PJsKgmclTscGMdRqkbQ953g8uZJGYFzpfNPkxRuKjx3vVXAUYlGmFkBfOaEGziwnwnVPwZ+ 3E+x68EZi7kPW+ThhxnkQp6t1EiMBSOtv3XiW00Z4krM+u3VwBz+j3zz4I06hc+f9rpuWgfRC 20jmiHMdvixXceF9o/Ic4p1/VdFlrCZfoptNhq2dFdhtjGN4SwWWrNMVJBzq16tE0LiSoVB+m wubICizVmZJ+QMSCsnSLdLOdyvE2JZM3v38DbJKuLjq0K7puicmE0LFs/2OqhYdtRE856eIvt +cZRosB+z4h7E96GxXtfM02luzON1L0x7nc5ycyoHx/f0MgNzw3cdJq25m+suvHQVXRPx6mBT ASIjM+iTl3oMQfwy48OFMLSMUUaPSkwmATsOmQBeeblkSaf7PlFXzqUGGDFSdxjIM9L9mtxzp HfW1Td0LRP5cr1OU/6Gz6Ro6IowWHLzhPUdl1G/ugF1M7G9kAwpWrnDjiElkVY7iyVnhv3M4F CaCfKtsPyDTmEYpYBCDb+u70lnT537SndpE44kg9VAXw/y8Y1YO1eu1eGb1rFAxsvnGIJlFwl yr3qXz1ffDh6GnE/Bnr2o4tK8nfgNZLC0IngYnu7OvvEKljiIpfhiDE0FG/qcxb62HJp08N Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 868 Lines: 19 On Mon, 2017-12-18 at 18:00 +0100, Mike Galbraith wrote: > On Mon, 2017-12-18 at 11:35 -0500, J. Bruce Fields wrote: > > > > Like I say, I don't really understand the issues here, so it's more a > > question than an objection.... (I don't know any reason a > > cond_resched() would be bad there.) > > Think of it this way: what all can be queued up behind that kworker > that is hogging CPU for huge swaths of time? ?It's not only userspace > that suffers. Bah, I'm gonna sound like a damn Baptist preacher, but I gotta say, latency matters just as much to an enterprise NOPREEMPT kernel and its users as it does to a desktop kernel and its users. ?For max throughput, you don't want to do work in _tiny_ quantum, because you then lose throughput due to massive cache trashing and scheduling overhead, but latency still does matter, and not just a little. -Mike