Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S270555AbTGSW2a (ORCPT ); Sat, 19 Jul 2003 18:28:30 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S270558AbTGSW23 (ORCPT ); Sat, 19 Jul 2003 18:28:29 -0400 Received: from smtp.bitmover.com ([192.132.92.12]:50396 "EHLO smtp.bitmover.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S270555AbTGSW2U (ORCPT ); Sat, 19 Jul 2003 18:28:20 -0400 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:39:56 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: Adrian Bunk Cc: Larry McVoy , David Schwartz , Richard Stallman , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Bitkeeper Message-ID: <20030719223956.GG24197@work.bitmover.com> Mail-Followup-To: Larry McVoy , Adrian Bunk , Larry McVoy , David Schwartz , Richard Stallman , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <20030718204405.GA658@work.bitmover.com> <20030718222702.GC658@work.bitmover.com> <20030719204219.GG7977@fs.tum.de> <20030719215740.GD24197@work.bitmover.com> <20030719222838.GB6942@fs.tum.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030719222838.GB6942@fs.tum.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.5, required 7, AWL, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1897 Lines: 37 On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 12:28:38AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > product for *money*. If you paid us money, you'd have a point. But > > you didn't. You get to use the product for free and until there is > > some case law which says otherwise, we get to make any rules we like. > > And our rules say you can't reverse engineer. Too bad for you if you > > don't like it, I'm not exactly overflowing with sympathy for someone > > who paid nothing and is now complaining that they aren't allowed to > > reverse engineer and steal what they didn't pay for. > > The current German copyright law doesn't talk about money. If you allow > someone to use a copy the law explicitely states that some kind of > contract clauses (e.g. a complete prohibition of disassembling) are > simply void. Alan pointed out to me that the EU rules are for interoperability and they do not allow reverse engineering for the purposes of learning how a product works. Since BK can export any and *all* data and metadata from a one line command, it's awfully hard to make the argument that you are reverse engineering for interoperability. You can get your data as flat files, diffs, unified diffs, context diffs. You can get your checkin comments in any format you want. It's trivial to get data in and out of BK. You can even get all of that from a web server so you don't have to sully your hands with evil BK software. So where is the law that says it is OK to reverse engineer when the product already provides everything you could possibly want for interoperability? -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/