Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753818AbeAIBYE (ORCPT + 1 other); Mon, 8 Jan 2018 20:24:04 -0500 Received: from smtp-fw-4101.amazon.com ([72.21.198.25]:34640 "EHLO smtp-fw-4101.amazon.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751454AbeAIBYC (ORCPT ); Mon, 8 Jan 2018 20:24:02 -0500 X-Amazon-filename: smime.p7s X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.46,333,1511827200"; d="p7s'?scan'208";a="702431677" Message-ID: <1515460999.4423.104.camel@amazon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 11/10] x86/retpoline: Avoid return buffer underflows on context switch II To: Andi Kleen , Linus Torvalds CC: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , "tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com" , "peterz@infradead.org" , "tglx@linutronix.de" , "riel@redhat.com" , "keescook@google.com" , "gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk" , "pjt@google.com" , "dave.hansen@intel.com" , "luto@amacapital.net" , "jikos@kernel.org" , "gregkh@linux-foundation.org" In-Reply-To: <20180109012122.GA18313@tassilo.jf.intel.com> References: <1515363085-4219-1-git-send-email-dwmw@amazon.co.uk> <1515455051.15588.7.camel@infradead.org> <1515455902.4423.59.camel@amazon.co.uk> <20180109004415.GG6718@tassilo.jf.intel.com> <20180109011602.GH6718@tassilo.jf.intel.com> <20180109012122.GA18313@tassilo.jf.intel.com> Face: 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 Organization: Amazon Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha-256; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-CJV6qOwN/E3Eg+sLtGuL" Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 01:23:19 +0000 X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.2-0ubuntu3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Woodhouse, David" X-Evolution-Source: 1481217574.17989.4@uc8d3ff76b9bc5848a9cc Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: --=-CJV6qOwN/E3Eg+sLtGuL Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2018-01-08 at 17:21 -0800, Andi Kleen wrote: > On Mon, Jan 08, 2018 at 05:16:02PM -0800, Andi Kleen wrote: > > > If we clear the registers, what the hell are you going to put in the > > > RSB that helps you? > >=C2=A0 > > RSB allows you to control chains of gadgets. >=20 > I admit the gadget thing is a bit obscure. >=20 > There's another case we were actually more worried about:=C2=A0 >=20 > On Skylake and Broadwell when the RSB underflows it will fall back to the= =C2=A0 > indirect branch predictor, which can be poisoned and we try to avoid > using with retpoline. So we try to avoid underflows, and this filling > helps us with that. That's no longer true for Broadwell with the latest microcode, right? 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