Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:45:49 -0600
From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
To: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
        Alice Ferrazzi <alicef@gentoo.org>,
        linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
        akpm@linux-foundation.org, Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>,
        shuahkh@osg.samsung.com, patches@kernelci.org,
        Ben Hutchings <ben.hutchings@codethink.co.uk>,
        lkft-triage@lists.linaro.org, stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4.4 00/37] 4.4.110-stable review
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Quoting Greg Kroah-Hartman (gregkh@linuxfoundation.org):
> On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 01:49:48PM -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > Quoting Greg Kroah-Hartman (gregkh@linuxfoundation.org):
> > > On Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 02:20:16AM +0900, Alice Ferrazzi wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 5:11 AM, Greg Kroah-Hartman
> > > > <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> > > > > This is the start of the stable review cycle for the 4.4.110 release.
> > > > > There are 37 patches in this series, all will be posted as a response
> > > > > to this one.  If anyone has any issues with these being applied, please
> > > > > let me know.
> > > > >
> > > > > Responses should be made by Fri Jan  5 19:50:38 UTC 2018.
> > > > > Anything received after that time might be too late.
> > > > >
> > > > > The whole patch series can be found in one patch at:
> > > > >         kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v4.x/stable-review/patch-4.4.110-rc1.gz
> > > > > or in the git tree and branch at:
> > > > >   git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable-rc.git linux-4.4.y
> > > > > and the diffstat can be found below.
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > This patchset merges correctly with Gentoo patches and GCC version 6.4.0
> > > > The kernel boot up correctly.
> > > > Logs: http://kernel1.amd64.dev.gentoo.org:8010/#/builders/5/builds/44
> > > 
> > > Great, but Gentoo really should be moving to 4.9 and 4.14 here, I
> > > hope no one running Gentoo is relying on 4.4 :)
> > 
> > Wait what?
> > 
> > According to https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html
> > 4.4 should be the best bet for longest support, right?  Does
> > that page need to be updated?  If 4.4 is not going to be
> > supported, is there anything else with a possible 5-6 years
> > of support?
> 
> 4.4 is going to be supported, yes, but really, for a desktop/server
> system, why would you ever want to stick with it for anything longer
> than a year?  No new hardware support is added, and no new features that
> you would want are in there.
> 
> The LTS kernels are for the crazy embedded people that don't change
> their hardware systems, and have the insane huge number of out-of-tree
> patches.  No one else should be using those kernels, they should always
> be using newer ones, as there are always more issues fixed in newer
> kernels than older ones.
> 
> So again, I hope no one running Gentoo, which is a rolling, constantly
> updated distro, is using the old and crusty 4.4 kernel release.  To do
> so is to defeat the purpose of relying on Gentoo in the first place...

Ah, I see, yeah that makes sense :)

thanks,
-serge