Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S933649AbeALNXX (ORCPT + 1 other); Fri, 12 Jan 2018 08:23:23 -0500 Received: from mail-oi0-f65.google.com ([209.85.218.65]:47019 "EHLO mail-oi0-f65.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932976AbeALNXV (ORCPT ); Fri, 12 Jan 2018 08:23:21 -0500 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBosOPXaRPN3/+MZwXxEdNUY5c6B0m/5dcXbtSb9i1DUiPy7/bD85DtOwez+dDROYlJ8wnVXAe1RF1+lKIGJhn9A= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180112110624.GA13254@amd> References: <20180110233252.GA14739@amd> <20180112110624.GA13254@amd> From: Arnd Bergmann Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:23:20 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: WRWea4A2R9w7hf_M8yZp33_LI_w Message-ID: Subject: Re: Linux 4.15-rc7 To: Pavel Machek Cc: Olivier Galibert , Linus Torvalds , Linux Kernel Mailing List , jikos@suse.cz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Pavel Machek wrote: > Hi! > >> Wasn't/Isn't the 4G/4G memory layout for 32 bits essentially KPTI? > > Good point. Is that still supported? Was it ever? > > Umm. I seem to recall that 4G/4G layout was out of tree but never > merged. I think that's correct: it was in RHEL3 and RHEL4 but never merged upstream. However, there is an important difference between KPTI and X86_4G: The former unmaps the kernel pages from the user space page tables, but keeps both the linear mapping and the user pages visible in kernel mode, while the latter must have also unmapped user space pages from kernel mode, requiring a more expensive get_user/put_user implementation. Kees mentioned an idea to also unmap user pages from kernel mode as an additional safeguard on top of KPTI, which would get it even closer to the X86_4G implementation: https://outflux.net/blog/archives/2018/01/04/smep-emulation-in-pti/ Could you be more specific which 32-bit x86 chips you have that are affected by Meltdown? Do you mean pre-2004 Pentiums or Core-Duo laptops? I would guess that Cyrix/Natsemi/AMD 6x86/MediaGX/Geode and AMD NexGen K6/K7 also affected by Spectre but probably not Meltdown, and most other 32-bit microarchitectures seem to be purely in-order. Arnd