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[209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id p9si4830249pgu.447.2018.01.17.17.10.19; Wed, 17 Jan 2018 17:10:33 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=fail header.i=@thunk.org header.s=ef5046eb header.b=qgE14yKV; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753107AbeARBJk (ORCPT + 99 others); Wed, 17 Jan 2018 20:09:40 -0500 Received: from imap.thunk.org ([74.207.234.97]:59058 "EHLO imap.thunk.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752840AbeARBJh (ORCPT ); Wed, 17 Jan 2018 20:09:37 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=thunk.org; s=ef5046eb; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Yxfoijawtj+LeO2RYYF/tsO6R/dPqoXTYJYqZ/6MZbk=; b=qgE14yKVnOb0fTRkXRDRNIiTJF S7aKWDB2xneUZavfBsQscJDX9E/JTfETLDUO6vuqGazQX48C5szPC7+rj+fSlHpd+kH4raXA9YoyJ D5h0yzSdQdFqTfCp/82HsEZDg/60GEwCGOchrLwflOUSD6HXW3YbaFcpyej1KEZixwRc=; Received: from root (helo=callcc.thunk.org) by imap.thunk.org with local-esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ebyhw-0005uN-0G; Thu, 18 Jan 2018 01:09:32 +0000 Received: by callcc.thunk.org (Postfix, from userid 15806) id 04D13C012D3; Wed, 17 Jan 2018 20:09:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 20:09:30 -0500 From: Theodore Ts'o To: Alexei Starovoitov Cc: Dmitry Vyukov , Daniel Borkmann , Pavel Machek , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, syzkaller-bugs@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: dangers of bots on the mailing lists was Re: divide error in ___bpf_prog_run Message-ID: <20180118010930.GE6948@thunk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Theodore Ts'o , Alexei Starovoitov , Dmitry Vyukov , Daniel Borkmann , Pavel Machek , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, syzkaller-bugs@googlegroups.com References: <001a11405130ff1e9705629eb53c@google.com> <20180117093225.GB20303@amd> <20180117204735.GC6948@thunk.org> <20180118002111.b7ejjd2adunmkooj@ast-mbp.dhcp.thefacebook.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180118002111.b7ejjd2adunmkooj@ast-mbp.dhcp.thefacebook.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.2 (2017-12-15) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tytso@thunk.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on imap.thunk.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 04:21:13PM -0800, Alexei Starovoitov wrote: > > If syzkaller can only test one tree than linux-next should be the one. Well, there's been some controversy about that. The problem is that it's often not clear if this is long-standing bug, or a bug which is in a particular subsystem tree --- and if so, *which* subsystem tree, etc. So it gets blasted to linux-kernel, and to get_maintainer.pl, which is often not accurate --- since the location of the crash doesn't necessarily point out where the problem originated, and hence who should look at the syzbot report. And so this has caused some.... irritation. > There is some value of testing stable trees, but any developer > will first ask for a reproducer in the latest, so usefulness of > reporting such bugs will be limited. What I suggested was to test Linus's tree, and then when a problem is found, and syzkaller has a reliable repro, to *then* try to see if it *also* shows up in the LTS kernels. - Ted