Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S272406AbTGZDD0 (ORCPT ); Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:03:26 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S272407AbTGZDD0 (ORCPT ); Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:03:26 -0400 Received: from smtp.bitmover.com ([192.132.92.12]:24997 "EHLO smtp.bitmover.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S272406AbTGZDDY (ORCPT ); Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:03:24 -0400 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:18:32 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Larry McVoy Subject: Re: Switching to the OSL License, in a dual way. Message-ID: <20030726031832.GE14606@work.bitmover.com> Mail-Followup-To: Larry McVoy , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Larry McVoy References: <20030724215744.GA7777@work.bitmover.com> <20030725143933.GA13840@work.bitmover.com> <20030726025246.GA30151@merlin.emma.line.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030726025246.GA30151@merlin.emma.line.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.5, required 7, AWL, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2010 Lines: 42 I've looked into this and I think if you dig into you'll find that this stuff is all claused in "if they don't provide the API's to interoperate". It's a moot point anyway because by the time anyone has come anywhere near to reverse engineering what we do today we'll be years beyond that. In some ways, that's fine, either we keep moving or die. I can live with that. On the other hand, I'm not about to hand our IP out on a silver platter. Be legal or be in court... On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 04:52:46AM +0200, Matthias Andree wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Larry McVoy wrote: > > > > This is exactly the same. As long as there is a data format or a > > > protocol involved, European laws allow users to reverse engineer it, > > > to be able to create another program using the same format and > > > protocols. > > > > Really? Show me that law please. > > IANAL, but check the "German Gesetz ?ber Urheberrecht und verwandte > Schutzrechte" (Urheberrechtsgesetz/UrhG for short), ?? 69c, 69d, 69e. > http://bundesrecht.juris.de/bundesrecht/urhg/index.html > > It concerns itself with "interoperability" of independently developed > programs with an existing one that you may use, (not with clones though, > the law formulates this differently); decompilation is allowed, unless > information needed to obtain interoperability is available, and there > are other restrictions. License or contract clauses that attempt to run > counter to ?69d 2,3 (backup copies to ensure future use) or ?69e > (decompilation) are void. > > Anyone interested should check out the exact words of the law though, > and in particular he should not rely on my translation. -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/