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On Sun 2018-02-11 11:42:47, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> 
> 
> On Feb 11, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Mark D Rustad <mrustad@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >> On Feb 11, 2018, at 2:59 AM, Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Does Debian make it easy to upgrade to a 64-bit kernel if you have a
> >>> 32-bit install?
> >> 
> >> Quite easy, yeah.  Crossgrading userspace is not for the faint of the heart,
> >> but changing just the kernel is fine.
> > 
> > ISTR that iscsi doesn't work when running a 64-bit kernel with a 32-bit userspace. I remember someone offered kernel patches to fix it, but I think they were rejected. I haven't messed with that stuff in many years, so perhaps the userspace side now has accommodation for it. It might be something to check on.
> > 

It might make sense to retry those patches... if we want people to
move to 64bit kernels, it makes sense to provide complete emulation
for 32bit distros...

> At the risk of suggesting heresy, should we consider removing x86_32
> support at some point?

Heresy!

We still support 486s. I don't know if anyone really uses them, but
T40p is an acceptable machine to ssh from. X60 is still the machine I
prefer for traveling. Fast enough if you don't compile, and nicer
keyboard/screen than X220...

									Pavel
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