Received: by 10.223.185.116 with SMTP id b49csp848563wrg; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 07:45:44 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x224VVGf8kkHbMAvuGy4swFA3bbVjTqQ2+JqlSROFIVe1wzuqCpTsqEePltuIwnsc/FVfG1TE X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:63:: with SMTP id 90-v6mr2075306pla.125.1519400743914; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 07:45:43 -0800 (PST) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1519400743; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=TbQ8B9Fq5ZdfgpUxXvFgV9ktgRdmxGa/wHqiGbF4iRVero8oL1ZaoZWZbW+fQVEyu8 P9eS1ihfNZwUw54nfhKeowyXszxxyj95KdpDMRbjfyidhEZEgyFlwpr04lQlHZYhA1Lb Kox/CMnX+6kPGGh8FsMccc1m/yBcKSR/1JvwokB7s5uMjjpl5UBdqBxYskzC43xXMx15 9azcptdyLoiUVDmVAEx/q6TBG4kvMPwUtz/i1nhmtQgw7V7sG61gUStevUuiarX3OIx8 PC+rBzAo/E8I60OpgnFrhrb8XvKFfg/aTQ/X+jimn++ndMfBQy/M3b0jaZLRbybvtmpI h2TQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :organization:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from :date:arc-authentication-results; bh=sC5mBPkLQJF6aNvOOKlsYbuzBCm3EGqQlRo2mGq8kJU=; b=Lir5lbAElfHxWoAECzY4yT4AtZRVMxdC2G48/EEftMixxk/FM2918Ft1R2RUtjqFgG 2UOZaRg9m/xtQ+RKIl5LdXWVvpXYRRG7ElUtGYloqa7e7T1S/c+LYfPyBxX8K0YrNaUj 8ebyWgQSFtuJn4aIvP07tdenzCnALchd1RhGJZNUqNIsNwvA+Y1h51gxMDtYHDOxf/Ai IEOYHlevug+6SDdA5k1NOfCNvArPt7aN/Ivp5dx0xbJKHhN17CZaCJvz8o/UhjBiNUJR UKV8Ewhnqt0bgu1CMCx7rBckB6t4peSWhvZ7YFDuC/3f+NWPS4o4gCH6Ho9WVHQIUuXX m5Yw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id z3si1673442pgs.71.2018.02.23.07.45.29; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 07:45:43 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752179AbeBWPoq (ORCPT + 99 others); Fri, 23 Feb 2018 10:44:46 -0500 Received: from www.llwyncelyn.cymru ([82.70.14.225]:55616 "EHLO fuzix.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751317AbeBWPom (ORCPT ); Fri, 23 Feb 2018 10:44:42 -0500 Received: from alans-desktop (82-70-14-226.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.70.14.226]) by fuzix.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w1NFhHO0002347; Fri, 23 Feb 2018 15:43:17 GMT Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 15:43:16 +0000 From: Alan Cox To: Arnd Bergmann Cc: Guenter Roeck , linux-arch , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Richard Kuo , linux-hexagon@vger.kernel.org, Chen Liqin , Lennox Wu , Guan Xuetao , Al Viro , James Hogan , linux-metag@vger.kernel.org, Jonas Bonn , Stefan Kristiansson , Stafford Horne , openrisc@lists.librecores.org, David Howells Subject: Re: Removing architectures without upstream gcc support Message-ID: <20180223154316.35b26857@alans-desktop> In-Reply-To: References: <20180222234833.GA3047@roeck-us.net> Organization: Intel Corporation X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.1-dirty (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > Regarding the older architectures I mentioned (m32r, frv, mn10300), > the situation is a bit different as they don't have the problems with > build testing but they do have problems with using less of the > standard interfaces (syscall, timer, gpio, rtc, ...), so they do add > more to the maintenance burden without the nostalgia value of > some of the even older architectures (parisc, alpha, m68k, ia64) > that people maintain mainly for fun. IMHO the magic word is 'maintain'. If someone is actively maintaining it then I don't think we should care too much, if not then while the code may be buildable on current systems does anyone honestly think it works properly if used in anger ? Alan