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[108.223.40.66]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r20sm6515813pff.25.2018.02.23.09.10.20 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 23 Feb 2018 09:10:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 09:10:19 -0800 From: Guenter Roeck To: Alan Cox Cc: Arnd Bergmann , linux-arch , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Richard Kuo , linux-hexagon@vger.kernel.org, Chen Liqin , Lennox Wu , Guan Xuetao , Al Viro , James Hogan , linux-metag@vger.kernel.org, Jonas Bonn , Stefan Kristiansson , Stafford Horne , openrisc@lists.librecores.org, David Howells Subject: Re: Removing architectures without upstream gcc support Message-ID: <20180223171019.GA1125@roeck-us.net> References: <20180222234833.GA3047@roeck-us.net> <20180223154316.35b26857@alans-desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180223154316.35b26857@alans-desktop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 03:43:16PM +0000, Alan Cox wrote: > > Regarding the older architectures I mentioned (m32r, frv, mn10300), > > the situation is a bit different as they don't have the problems with > > build testing but they do have problems with using less of the > > standard interfaces (syscall, timer, gpio, rtc, ...), so they do add > > more to the maintenance burden without the nostalgia value of > > some of the even older architectures (parisc, alpha, m68k, ia64) > > that people maintain mainly for fun. > > IMHO the magic word is 'maintain'. If someone is actively maintaining it > then I don't think we should care too much, if not then while the code > may be buildable on current systems does anyone honestly think it works > properly if used in anger ? > FWIW, alpha and m68k are known boot with qemu (even though m68k generates a warning traceback with the mainline kernel). Guenter