Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S272375AbTHECav (ORCPT ); Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:30:51 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S272376AbTHECav (ORCPT ); Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:30:51 -0400 Received: from almesberger.net ([63.105.73.239]:45830 "EHLO host.almesberger.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S272375AbTHECau (ORCPT ); Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:30:50 -0400 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:30:27 -0300 From: Werner Almesberger To: Larry McVoy , David Lang , "Ihar 'Philips' Filipau" , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: TOE brain dump Message-ID: <20030804233026.R5798@almesberger.net> References: <20030804223800.P5798@almesberger.net> <20030805015401.GA15811@work.bitmover.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030805015401.GA15811@work.bitmover.com>; from lm@bitmover.com on Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 06:54:01PM -0700 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1062 Lines: 26 Larry McVoy wrote: > I'd suggest that all of you look at the fact that all of these offload > card companies have ended up dieing. I don't know of a single one that > made it to profitability. Doesn't that tell you something? What has > changed that makes this a good idea? 1) So far, most of the battle has been about data transfers. Now, per-packet overhead is becoming an issue. 2) AFAIK, they all went for designs that isolated their code from the main stack. That's one thing that, IMHO, has to change. Is this enough to make TOE succeed ? I don't know. - Werner -- _________________________________________________________________________ / Werner Almesberger, Buenos Aires, Argentina werner@almesberger.net / /_http://www.almesberger.net/____________________________________________/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/