Received: by 10.223.185.116 with SMTP id b49csp6439584wrg; Thu, 8 Mar 2018 07:28:58 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELsWNGf7BbVndU3dE4HRGiBEoY8ndj5jLvTekV9m7MvIv8LVWudSbpIit6CkkipmVgadJ3vp X-Received: by 10.98.144.146 with SMTP id q18mr27102090pfk.103.1520522938286; Thu, 08 Mar 2018 07:28:58 -0800 (PST) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1520522938; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=MEBo0ZvA7ciw8EEQQAO7bqgFMiSS7wovN+Fr4+zERwNBdTR5XKfPO7WAAYnQyouTOH JZv4fFHvTqkoPa594NvhxXwoSCxofazft7+Z+XzdCFizoLTXnFrnOirQWLLW8M7qxMjl cgAwKINHYbsEJSWUSMU2y9C0/GLyVe6tR2yqlySIk0hpcl6XW4qwCHGEvUdQnBBfiyjx Uswf4IeDz+gkZxOJn2IRyI0dwjRE7s08tlNK35Uz1SfJrcwlWJN/TV2yxbkULcM31j33 OWCmhuW37B0jSyRJ1zVRebuVXCCCbcEtF45awOTdSbhOH36DN7eWfOOsQwMWmcwoEFLB djmQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :references:in-reply-to:message-id:date:subject:cc:to:from :arc-authentication-results; bh=q0wfVT4xcZY6q+8mCkTPIxQptqFSy7+T93gh7iolaHk=; b=H7AIhuG8aXqw6JYdCcpv80jZ8LG2aYnxOz2bE6PZrN6tdU8FIBMHkz+vA0zipaeEh6 toraQuBHnsG5qi85pNXBtatzJFjPfVtFphGD4p+AMwl2IlM3ePIJDKgXLDklm4BXL3g6 K5Vf6ANGKYvqJnLGDrL7TkgTJtiOL+htcIlgNveiXEGQhDL1c16K5vNAXDJVVTZKcvbm f8pqj4iMfd9K1dztadNLliLtsS2B4xm/1/YOYDlQgNrzCmwxp7V/sm4wwq1XTDGbD/TD PKXpEzmnNhAs4inoQgeY9AskrxRtrZHUQnO+UGamOn/4fIUiVtsftsYgF/tcEshefIFi QUCA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id t6si12976164pgc.749.2018.03.08.07.28.43; Thu, 08 Mar 2018 07:28:58 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S933746AbeCHP1s convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT + 99 others); Thu, 8 Mar 2018 10:27:48 -0500 Received: from lilium.sigma-star.at ([109.75.188.150]:48682 "EHLO lilium.sigma-star.at" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754846AbeCHP1q (ORCPT ); Thu, 8 Mar 2018 10:27:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lilium.sigma-star.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31B7E181A43EF; Thu, 8 Mar 2018 16:27:45 +0100 (CET) From: Richard Weinberger To: dedekind1@gmail.com Cc: Linus Walleij , linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org, "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , Cyrille Pitchen , Mark Vasut , Boris BREZILLON , Brian Norris , David Woodhouse , tharvey@gateworks.com, stable , Ulf Hansson Subject: Re: [PATCH] ubi: Reject MLC NAND Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2018 16:28:50 +0100 Message-ID: <10429741.dU3vzh71GH@blindfold> In-Reply-To: <1520521275.20980.41.camel@gmail.com> References: <20180303104554.5958-1-richard@nod.at> <3797589.z8fAhu5iDP@blindfold> <1520521275.20980.41.camel@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Artem, Am Donnerstag, 8. M?rz 2018, 16:01:15 CET schrieb Artem Bityutskiy: > On Thu, 2018-03-08 at 15:43 +0100, Richard Weinberger wrote: > > As stated by David Woodhouse, it was a huge mistake by UBI to not > > reject MLC > > NAND from the very beginning. > > Correction: when we were developing UBI/UBIFS and upstreamed them, MLC > was widely used yet we did not really know about it. So there was > nothing to reject yet. You mean *not* widely used? > The mistake is that we did not add the reject timely. When people > started reporting MLC issues we were answering that UBI/UBIFS stack > needs more work to make MLC safe to use, and we hoped someone would do > the work. True. TBH Boris and I also thought that adding MLC support is not a that big deal... Thanks, //richard