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[209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id v9-v6si2728969plo.681.2018.04.04.02.21.37; Wed, 04 Apr 2018 02:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=fail header.i=@infradead.org header.s=bombadil.20170209 header.b=kh3koJNt; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751350AbeDDJTQ (ORCPT + 99 others); Wed, 4 Apr 2018 05:19:16 -0400 Received: from bombadil.infradead.org ([198.137.202.133]:57534 "EHLO bombadil.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750916AbeDDJTP (ORCPT ); Wed, 4 Apr 2018 05:19:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infradead.org; s=bombadil.20170209; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version :References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=6rrBUm09oTQalFRxSqKf6vxMKoxP128izyMvI8yvkl4=; b=kh3koJNtqVL08hKVp/UbMhdK9 skEPDGm4lsI1p8mRwdsi5V9TNxY4xAAjoEmdlTCq1L0TI+rpXXulRrYnt396HQk7hIrnaJMA4C8sJ qVwOwLgk/iw1ILqGFhqOZsK78nlSBMR60Djis6tnJEw2sjEw7gQjNmaZC6YJdrtXCGGhz7Jhascv2 vFR/q3jOfLiiyCFqhcS1Pon+6kwzllaWVrlI8JD//7LR80p17X+Kj3MNogZ6lk6/mFwd4xEsIzl1M c4/d6Vt9uE4TBx9jw5oQsvI9ZqQFG3KZW4AMG+wNNFtDO07ybjvNQiu3ToNnVFyXEkkGrwFk+rN6V 8cWldCWAA==; Received: from j217100.upc-j.chello.nl ([24.132.217.100] helo=hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.90_1 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1f3eZT-0000Tm-QP; Wed, 04 Apr 2018 09:19:12 +0000 Received: by hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4F2AC202A4A09; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 11:19:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 11:19:09 +0200 From: Peter Zijlstra To: Nick Desaulniers Cc: Matthias Kaehlcke , Ingo Molnar , Linus Torvalds , LKML , Thomas Gleixner , Andrew Morton , James Y Knight , Chandler Carruth , Stephen Hines , Kees Cook , groeck@chromium.org, Greg Hackmann , Greg KH Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] x86/build changes for v4.17 Message-ID: <20180404091909.GH4082@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> References: <20180402095033.nfzcrmxvpm46dhbl@gmail.com> <20180403085904.GY4082@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20180403095118.rpf7tj577dppvx7d@gmail.com> <20180403180658.GE87376@google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.3 (2018-01-21) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Apr 03, 2018 at 09:58:03PM +0000, Nick Desaulniers wrote: > Speaking more with our internal LLVM teams, there ARE a few different > approaches to implementing asm-goto in LLVM proposed, by external parties > to Google. These proposals haven't progressed to code review, so we've > asked our LLVM teams to reignite these discussions with increased priority, > if not implement the feature outright. We (Google kernel AND llvm hackers) > are committed to supporting the Linux kernel being built with Clang. > > I can see both sides where eventually a long-requested feature-request > should come to a head, especially with good evidence ( > https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/2/14/895), but just as you wouldn't accept a > patch that doesn't compile with GCC, I'd like to request that we don't > merge patches that fail to compile with Clang (or at least start to think > what that might look like). Again, I ask what the plans are for asm-cc-output, hard depending on that is a few years out I imagine, but if you don't promise feature parity for all the features we use, I can see this all happening again. Also, it would be good to get input on the whole memory model situation; esp. with people looking to do LTO builds, the C/C++ memory model can cause us quite some grief, for specifics I feel we should start a new thread. But this is another issue that's been raised several times without feedback.