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[209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id n4si5668289pfk.48.2018.04.05.00.33.27; Thu, 05 Apr 2018 00:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=fail header.i=@infradead.org header.s=bombadil.20170209 header.b=nzBuo55X; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751352AbeDEHcQ (ORCPT + 99 others); Thu, 5 Apr 2018 03:32:16 -0400 Received: from bombadil.infradead.org ([198.137.202.133]:32782 "EHLO bombadil.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751097AbeDEHcP (ORCPT ); Thu, 5 Apr 2018 03:32:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infradead.org; s=bombadil.20170209; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version :References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=l0ADkH1CUid69J45OYE0eTzJQKfju6Gq6HHsyWA5r3I=; b=nzBuo55XnYW6claQV6bOd3Ti+ rm2KYhQ7rYE6SKiW3WKr1KrOaSFK8K2ZsQt8d0fnI9j+rVqOPFQvGuZV0+U+CEaKo1qFa3FGsr3WW by82bLN6wcKgFQVvPdNBxUM6UOvcqItlbuGWX1RV1zjUTxW2Zsv4jD/wFRB8/DYwWrJ1Kc0f+c1G6 9nPJToLTvqwcOKN9yL9n8l5wAQyBH7+0qBkwmQdo6XaDJjxXX8n5iKYdAe5z97e0QpocWjPE28mAQ tctPlfRXUgJ3BI83qQ0FC0hzG8tJr72bhDmkRllI6Us3BoaeHR77aYxXE3pD8BMrmagCP2IY/lPN1 a8JScJMUg==; Received: from j217100.upc-j.chello.nl ([24.132.217.100] helo=hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.90_1 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1f3zNN-000668-QU; Thu, 05 Apr 2018 07:32:06 +0000 Received: by hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 29BC82029F86F; Thu, 5 Apr 2018 09:32:04 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2018 09:32:04 +0200 From: Peter Zijlstra To: Alan Stern Cc: Daniel Jordan , parri.andrea@gmail.com, will.deacon@arm.com, boqun.feng@gmail.com, npiggin@gmail.com, dhowells@redhat.com, j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk, luc.maranget@inria.fr, paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, akiyks@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Steven Sistare , Pasha Tatashin Subject: Re: Control dependency between prior load in while condition and later store? Message-ID: <20180405073204.GP4043@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> References: <087a5ca4-e788-60ee-9145-3a078781cf05@oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.3 (2018-01-21) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Apr 04, 2018 at 04:35:32PM -0400, Alan Stern wrote: > On Wed, 4 Apr 2018, Daniel Jordan wrote: > > > A question for memory-barriers.txt aficionados. > > > > Is there a control dependency between the prior load of 'a' and the > > later store of 'c'?: > > > > while (READ_ONCE(a)); > > WRITE_ONCE(c, 1); > > I would say that yes, there is. Indeed. > Yes, except that a more accurate view of the object code would be > something like this: > > Loop: r1 = READ_ONCE(a); > if (r1) > goto Loop; > else > ; // Do nothing > WRITE_ONCE(c, 1); > > Here you can see that one path branches backward, so everything > following the "if" is dependent on the READ_ONCE. Agreed, and I think I even have code that relies on such a pattern somewhere.. Ah.. yes, see smp_cond_load_acquire().