Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S275056AbTHQGzV (ORCPT ); Sun, 17 Aug 2003 02:55:21 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S275058AbTHQGzV (ORCPT ); Sun, 17 Aug 2003 02:55:21 -0400 Received: from mail.jlokier.co.uk ([81.29.64.88]:3712 "EHLO mail.jlokier.co.uk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S275056AbTHQGzT (ORCPT ); Sun, 17 Aug 2003 02:55:19 -0400 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 07:55:01 +0100 From: Jamie Lokier To: Mike Galbraith Cc: Con Kolivas , linux kernel mailing list , Andrew Morton , Ingo Molnar , gaxt Subject: Re: Scheduler activations (IIRC) question Message-ID: <20030817065501.GA1105@mail.jlokier.co.uk> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030816080614.01a0e418@pop.gmx.net> <20030815235431.GT1027@matchmail.com> <200308160149.29834.kernel@kolivas.org> <20030815230312.GD19707@mail.jlokier.co.uk> <20030815235431.GT1027@matchmail.com> <5.2.1.1.2.20030816080614.01a0e418@pop.gmx.net> <5.2.1.1.2.20030817072115.0198f398@pop.gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20030817072115.0198f398@pop.gmx.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2406 Lines: 51 Mike Galbraith wrote: > >The point of the mechanism is to submit system calls in an > >asynchronous fashion, after all. A proper task scheduling is > >inappropriate when all we'd like to do is initiate the syscall and > >continue processing, just as if it were an async I/O request. > > Ok, so you'd want a class where you could register an "exception handler" > prior to submitting a system call, and any subsequent schedule would be > treated as an exception? (they'd have to be nestable exceptions too > right?... egad:) Well, apart from not resembling exceptions, and no they don't nest :) You may be wondering what happens when I do five stat() calls, all of which should be asynchronous (topical: to get the best out of the elevator). Nested? Not quite. At each stat() call that blocks for I/O, its shadow task becomes active; that creates its own shadow task (pulling a kernel task from userspace's cache of them), then continues to perform the next item of work, which is the next stat(). The result is five kernel threads, each blocked on I/O inside a stat() call, exactly as desired. A sixth kernel thread, the only one running of my program, is continuing the work of the program. Soon, each of the I/O bound threads unblocks, returns to userspace, stores its result, queues the next work of this state machine, adds this kernel task to userspace's cache, and goes to sleep. As you can see, this achieves asynchronous system calls which are too complex for aio(*), best use of the I/O elevator, and 100% CPU utilisation doing useful calculations. Other user/kernel scheduler couplings are possible, but what I'm describing doesn't ask for much(**). Just the right behaviour from the kernel's scheduling heuristic: namely, waker not preempted by wakee. Seems to be the way it's going anyway. -- Jamie (*) Performing a complex operation like open() or link() asynchronously requires a kernel context for each operation in progress, as it isn't practical to recode those as state machines. In a sense, this sequence is close to an optimal way to dispatch these I/O operations concurrently. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/