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Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180410045723.rftsb7l4l3ip2ioi@debian> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.11.54.3 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.11.55.1]); Tue, 10 Apr 2018 07:53:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.11.55.1]); Tue, 10 Apr 2018 07:53:17 +0000 (UTC) for IP:'10.11.54.3' DOMAIN:'int-mx03.intmail.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com' HELO:'smtp.corp.redhat.com' FROM:'pbonzini@redhat.com' RCPT:'' Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 10/04/2018 06:57, Tiwei Bie wrote: >> So you just move the abstraction layer from qemu to kernel, and you still >> need different drivers in kernel for different device interfaces of >> accelerators. This looks even more complex than leaving it in qemu. As you >> said, another idea is to implement userspace vhost backend for accelerators >> which seems easier and could co-work with other parts of qemu without >> inventing new type of messages. > > I'm not quite sure. Do you think it's acceptable to > add various vendor specific hardware drivers in QEMU? I think so. We have vendor-specific quirks, and at some point there was an idea of using quirks to implement (vendor-specific) live migration support for assigned devices. Paolo