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[209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id w189-v6si9743337pgb.602.2018.05.02.08.33.19; Wed, 02 May 2018 08:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=fail header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=YcYoanBN; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752072AbeEBPct (ORCPT + 99 others); Wed, 2 May 2018 11:32:49 -0400 Received: from mail-ua0-f179.google.com ([209.85.217.179]:36563 "EHLO mail-ua0-f179.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750878AbeEBPck (ORCPT ); Wed, 2 May 2018 11:32:40 -0400 Received: by mail-ua0-f179.google.com with SMTP id b25so3074991uak.3 for ; Wed, 02 May 2018 08:32:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=UJi4xxXFl8P/hYQYaFlq3La06V1tAWDM1m3i21+ljXQ=; b=YcYoanBNnXprNBwztW/o433TLpC/E2ZHC7bV6nURkFdkNbgutphkcbyVTN/pn2hHM6 r+XQZHhLHatODuJyLNbB/YLmRoWF1W6ce0TuzQCgjMfAakMrgSXUTfT65ptIF6cp6Q7H 97ffFavi/XFW0bDyVNx4Rt7eplH1Oww7T8DhDw8r9pU2q6d+tfX+6WzK2Tiy7l0kjYlc V2rlsA+Vav1kMfR3HKrszvaV7QDFfB5wI9hPxDC5PTmL6tuwCvIW5QxD0d/QvDMEAklA fS2xqnt9Z8AOOKWYuj8ykLqbcQiKtHmljx+YjU4yFFBB5bfq/I5Ef0e9ZjV6DRuAqmJW gkYQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=UJi4xxXFl8P/hYQYaFlq3La06V1tAWDM1m3i21+ljXQ=; b=Fyyu3hh6U5Tvm+ELcuAkixld+Ev3f8BzSpiX+Furmux/YwPr9cD99dHcAVBnbdsSaz sgLrLrw2W0+a3Lp0ZZLL9uoCNAokCLQKotJlaOsq7kUuXMegXlQiAsVyJBAWrTtaDpM9 oO/3fmk8MZXHOU0poZFts72ikZksBAVrQ3fUGObVMdH/zVUgsry1Tt7fP1J83QQfQbTj bXKXre1OETk/rl1eV7qDVC1ahmiOHgaQyIZl4xZy5qotzGIQd+1I6mGazSd2WxqntCzV Uum76l8OBjXkKScqkuoLj59Od3IlnQR3zYqej2cPlLCa8LAQMa7YhX0BT6zQpstEwugd bnMg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tAIK6VCsQz+bfYdsmytjOP4rK3IrPqJ7lmpYRyqp7B4FhduDSQk 8NKT5wTsNMTPvoTesmWTnF18zO5V8zWMnsYziTI= X-Received: by 10.159.35.4 with SMTP id 4mr18903753uae.12.1525275159348; Wed, 02 May 2018 08:32:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.122.10 with HTTP; Wed, 2 May 2018 08:32:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20180501163818.GD1468@sasha-vm> References: <20180501163818.GD1468@sasha-vm> From: Geert Uytterhoeven Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 17:32:38 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: feKfOLjKYh0z9IeaM_OjQb1mTUk Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug-introducing patches To: Sasha Levin Cc: "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" , Greg KH , "w@1wt.eu" , "julia.lawall@lip6.fr" , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Hi Sasha, On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 6:38 PM, Sasha Levin wrote: > Working on AUTOSEL, it became even more obvious to me how difficult it is for a > patch to get a proper review. Maintainers found it difficult to keep up with > the upstream work for their subsystem, and reviewing additional -stable patches > put even more load on them which some suggested would be more than what they > can handle. Thanks for your work! > - For some reason, the odds of a -rc commit to be targetted for -stable is > over 20%, while for merge window commits it's about 3%. I can't quite > explain why that happens, but this would suggest that -rc commits end up > hurting -stable pretty badly. Aren't more -rc commits targeted for -stable because they are bugfixes? Ideally, new features are supposed to be merged during the merge window, while -rc commits fix bugs. So they can be categorized like: 1. Plain -rc commits, 2. -rc commits fixing a bug: a. in the same release cycle, b. in a previous release. 2a assumes the bug was backported to -stable, too, doesn't it? Do you have statistics for which categories are most buggy? Gr{oetje,eeting}s, Geert -- Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that. -- Linus Torvalds