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received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: microsoft.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: ej+UshidbMRYijE3+nEv+o4HCT0xrRnV6IgVxBGi62PDrCJJIP4ZFp3lW9XZezfEhnkZltrVAtpzdCVCjJBzKYcrTR2NBpOMhi8M/fCQogadLzU/B3ZjECHzvFqqBreYJpEaNaoP739bEVT2mNJllJxt+ySJxRxRPgQM3ti3gu+cv3j4dpiIZ/Yldto0VdAE spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <55B9CE414D3E7D428BD0CEF05328F8F1@namprd21.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Office365-Filtering-Correlation-Id: ece5b2c6-79f1-49dd-3963-08d5b106b3de X-OriginatorOrg: microsoft.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: ece5b2c6-79f1-49dd-3963-08d5b106b3de X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 03 May 2018 15:01:08.6211 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 72f988bf-86f1-41af-91ab-2d7cd011db47 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MW2PR2101MB0970 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, May 03, 2018 at 04:52:05PM +0200, Willy Tarreau wrote: >On Thu, May 03, 2018 at 02:46:14PM +0000, Sasha Levin wrote: >> I'll work on breaking up the 4.16 commits into categories, but one >> interesting statistic I've noticed while starting the work is: >> >> Fixes in -rc cycles: >> rc1 68 >> rc2 147 >> rc3 88 >> rc4 121 >> rc5 40 >> rc6 193 >> rc7 98 >> >> Average days in -next, for a fix, per -rc cycle: >> rc1 27.25 >> rc2 21.4286 >> rc3 22.5114 >> rc4 18.281 >> rc5 14.65 >> rc6 12.6166 >> rc7 8.70408 >> >> Fixes for bugs not introduced in current merge window: >> rc1 40 >> rc2 113 >> rc3 61 >> rc4 79 >> rc5 25 >> rc6 139 >> rc7 72 >> >> So for some reason, there is a rush to push fixes for older bugs (that >> were not introduced in the current merge window) to the point that rc7 >> commits that only existed for a few days are merged in to address older >> bugs. > >IMHO it's because it's the time it takes for users to start to trust the >3rd or 4th stable release of the previous version, to switch to it, to >face a bug, to report it, and for the maintainer to write a fix. > >I wouldn't be much surprised if you'd find that among those not introduced >in the current merge window, many were introduced in the previous release. Interesting. Here it is for v4.16-rcX fixes that fix something introduced before v4.14: rc1 30 rc2 87 rc3 51 rc4 68 rc5 23 rc6 113 rc7 61 So I'm not sure if what you described is really the case.=