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Ts'o" , Daniel Vetter , "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" , Greg KH , "w@1wt.eu" , "julia.lawall@lip6.fr" , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] bug-introducing patches Thread-Topic: [Ksummit-discuss] bug-introducing patches Thread-Index: AQHT4WrQpZfAdTeY4k22b0OVmzGN0aQbRuYAgAAEU4CAAA85AIAABeKAgAC3HQCAAMJDAIAAafoAgAAR7QCAAAvfgIABO6qAgAaLnwA= Date: Tue, 8 May 2018 02:39:36 +0000 Message-ID: <20180508023934.GB8514@sasha-vm> References: <20180501194450.GD10479@thunk.org> <20180501200019.GA7397@sasha-vm> <20180501205448.GE10479@thunk.org> <20180501211551.GI2714@sirena.org.uk> <20180502194632.GB18390@sasha-vm> <20180503020550.GP2714@sirena.org.uk> <20180503031000.GC29205@thunk.org> <0276fcda-0385-8f22-dbdb-e063f7ed8bbe@roeck-us.net> <20180503224217.GR2714@sirena.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <20180503224217.GR2714@sirena.org.uk> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [52.168.54.252] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1;MW2PR2101MB1100;7:nNnl7BAHEieiF5ToQkrqEGkr0e5QjGz7ArHs6DewHCIAJ0SZcUbAl1equn47tamg5jkph4qu/v4Zl5JcOKdrz9yXP8Kr2VZV215xuNaF7llbSo/V0Nt+zxeX1uWtn4F70kiEoT2M4D5iOxXHi8CARDA3bir6iF4ulNzDFSAdxVslH/EQpkdcrtMuUMP2ITKTd5qMl4IUFM+Hwfgy0OytV3irtuF0gEpD+1Ox/m43wFF2Ow2ViRsCuUAe26W/7jdz;20:7076O0BUq7muVVTSbLjrssYbKxPU+VVez0GGLtWQfMop2SfDbJpVTFKUNZdDApO4FPzCQhCVfOQaeuE/J/tOB8vYFM40RWQmag9l6SDjnoBS+wIi/FT8ZRFDgr87qYl+A9SWytqOj0xStqioRvseTsObioI8UC4vKU4fC2DGEPk= x-ms-exchange-antispam-srfa-diagnostics: SOS; x-ms-office365-filtering-ht: Tenant x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(7020095)(4652020)(5600026)(4534165)(4627221)(201703031133081)(201702281549075)(48565401081)(2017052603328)(7193020);SRVR:MW2PR2101MB1100; x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: MW2PR2101MB1100: x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:(211171220733660); x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1 x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(8211001083)(6040522)(2401047)(5005006)(8121501046)(3002001)(3231254)(2018427008)(944501410)(52105095)(10201501046)(93006095)(93001095)(6055026)(149027)(150027)(6041310)(20161123564045)(20161123560045)(20161123562045)(201703131423095)(201702281528075)(20161123555045)(201703061421075)(201703061406153)(20161123558120)(6072148)(201708071742011);SRVR:MW2PR2101MB1100;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:MW2PR2101MB1100; x-forefront-prvs: 0666E15D35 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM;SFS:(10019020)(7916004)(346002)(39860400002)(396003)(39380400002)(376002)(366004)(189003)(199004)(478600001)(25786009)(5250100002)(10290500003)(11346002)(446003)(33716001)(14454004)(99286004)(86612001)(9686003)(6512007)(106356001)(66066001)(305945005)(7736002)(86362001)(4326008)(186003)(72206003)(476003)(5660300001)(486006)(6246003)(53936002)(3846002)(3660700001)(105586002)(33656002)(33896004)(8936002)(3280700002)(81156014)(8676002)(1076002)(10090500001)(81166006)(229853002)(6916009)(2900100001)(68736007)(93886005)(76176011)(6436002)(6506007)(26005)(6486002)(6346003)(22452003)(102836004)(316002)(54906003)(97736004)(2906002)(6116002);DIR:OUT;SFP:1102;SCL:1;SRVR:MW2PR2101MB1100;H:MW2PR2101MB1003.namprd21.prod.outlook.com;FPR:;SPF:None;LANG:en;PTR:InfoNoRecords;MX:1;A:1; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: microsoft.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=Alexander.Levin@microsoft.com; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: bQuWFqi3pYtgocdLBuj8Pv0k1bxKR7FP/UoApSJAzyaDnSAFX3zWI7ImlyLV7GTaEn2dRtXaYDQLhAtOmzQhcgAU+pgEDVmX4NXa0/IFlcHOlE/juzDJDxHfAXi5xc0D122pfMqxlY491/nnQjlPm0E/sxBaDEeDN4hrDu39tKJykUB31Tgl4t6my6sNhrTB spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Office365-Filtering-Correlation-Id: 734381d1-2ccc-4843-c34a-08d5b48cf048 X-OriginatorOrg: microsoft.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 734381d1-2ccc-4843-c34a-08d5b48cf048 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 08 May 2018 02:39:36.1264 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 72f988bf-86f1-41af-91ab-2d7cd011db47 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MW2PR2101MB1100 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, May 04, 2018 at 07:42:17AM +0900, Mark Brown wrote: >On Wed, May 02, 2018 at 08:52:29PM -0700, Guenter Roeck wrote: > >> As for -next, me and others stopped reporting bugs in it, because when w= e do >> we tend to get flamed for the "noise". Is anyone aware (or cares) that m= ips >> and nds32 images don't build ? Soaking clothes in an empty bathtub won't= make >> them wet, and bugs in code which no one builds, much less tests or uses,= won't >> be found. > >You've been flamed for testing -next? That's not been my experience and >frankly it's pretty horrifying that it's happening. Testing is pretty >much the whole point of -next existing in the first place so you have to >wonder why people are putting their trees there if they don't want >testing. I have seen a few issues with people reporting bugs on old >versions of -next but otherwise... This is just wrong, what else is -next for? FWIW, our (MSFT) testing folks should now be reporting issues they see on our -next testing pipeline directly to LKML. There's not much volume there given that the 0-day bot catches most of the issues anyways, but we sometimes see odd regressions given that no one else seems to test Linux on Hyper-V but us :)=