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User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.5 (2018-04-13) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --x0Bbm7aQwrWvLJ2v Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 07, 2018 at 03:34:38PM -0700, Bjorn Andersson wrote: > And is this really a problem that does not exists in the ACPI world? Sort of, in that on ACPI systems all devices are expected to live in glorious isolation and anything they need transparently configured by the firmware with any information about clock speeds or whatever coming =66rom proprietary/device specific properties (though that's severely frowned upon) or the apparently idiomatic technique of hardcoding based on DMI data which has some scalability issues. This works great for systems intended to work in the ACPI model but is not entirely successful once you get outside of that. Some of the embedded ACPI people have been importing bits of DT wholesale into ACPI, for those bits obviously all the DT issues get imported too. --x0Bbm7aQwrWvLJ2v Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCgAdFiEEreZoqmdXGLWf4p/qJNaLcl1Uh9AFAlryvNcACgkQJNaLcl1U h9DA3gf+Iei5ou4tBOVJglGvoZ9igFjOMgHOgHeDUH2v8uKK7n2+aXapXif5Y6ky wHId+gxnZvk35qkhFCyaDsz8Ay4LSk2JAP92DppH+BgLfaSfJ7aRi4tg6Zh6zGZ8 nb1p2OXP9v/Ai47mDOmPsum4VGWxxXdXUjhnNj0krhFZVPmvjqnQgHf7KMd4a2oZ ppECMkwnFHpSjRE0hXrepCl+8nVDHVHhfboCY3nK+a5ZRhO5M1KjTsiJfi/+bxJW 4PkbPl8eQ/qHPY9iiebJtq9SGgjlwZSQfdGMBDG5JXMY/elWHBH2DpLvi/CvJFvk 1k1qhttEq3WiQbeNjieLdgNcu6GOBA== =xcHg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --x0Bbm7aQwrWvLJ2v--