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[209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 136-v6si1232068pgh.114.2018.05.10.12.10.28; Thu, 10 May 2018 12:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=redhat.com Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752047AbeEJTKT convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT + 99 others); Thu, 10 May 2018 15:10:19 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:39702 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751892AbeEJTKR (ORCPT ); Thu, 10 May 2018 15:10:17 -0400 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx05.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A17B81E01; Thu, 10 May 2018 19:10:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from w520.home (ovpn-116-103.phx2.redhat.com [10.3.116.103]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B72615D6B5; Thu, 10 May 2018 19:10:15 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 13:10:15 -0600 From: Alex Williamson To: "Stephen Bates" Cc: Jerome Glisse , Christian =?UTF-8?B?S8O2bmln?= , "Logan Gunthorpe" , Bjorn Helgaas , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , "linux-pci@vger.kernel.org" , "linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org" , "linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" , "linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" , "linux-block@vger.kernel.org" , "Christoph Hellwig" , Jens Axboe , Keith Busch , Sagi Grimberg , Bjorn Helgaas , Jason Gunthorpe , Max Gurtovoy , Dan Williams , "Benjamin Herrenschmidt" Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 04/14] PCI/P2PDMA: Clear ACS P2P flags for all devices behind switches Message-ID: <20180510131015.4ad59477@w520.home> In-Reply-To: References: <20180508133407.57a46902@w520.home> <5fc9b1c1-9208-06cc-0ec5-1f54c2520494@deltatee.com> <20180508141331.7cd737cb@w520.home> <20180508205005.GC15608@redhat.com> <7FFB9603-DF9F-4441-82E9-46037CB6C0DE@raithlin.com> <4e0d0b96-ab02-2662-adf3-fa956efd294c@deltatee.com> <2fc61d29-9eb4-d168-a3e5-955c36e5d821@amd.com> <94C8FE12-7FC3-48BD-9DCA-E6A427E71810@raithlin.com> <20180510144137.GA3652@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.15 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.25]); Thu, 10 May 2018 19:10:17 +0000 (UTC) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, 10 May 2018 18:41:09 +0000 "Stephen Bates" wrote: > > Reasons is that GPU are giving up on PCIe (see all specialize link like > > NVlink that are popping up in GPU space). So for fast GPU inter-connect > > we have this new links. > > I look forward to Nvidia open-licensing NVLink to anyone who wants to use it ;-). No doubt, the marketing for it is quick to point out the mesh topology of NVLink, but I haven't seen any technical documents that describe the isolation capabilities or IOMMU interaction. Whether this is included or an afterthought, I have no idea. > > Also the IOMMU isolation do matter a lot to us. Think someone using this > > peer to peer to gain control of a server in the cloud. From that perspective, do we have any idea what NVLink means for topology and IOMMU provided isolation and translation? I've seen a device assignment user report that seems to suggest it might pretend to be PCIe compatible, but the assigned GPU ultimately doesn't work correctly in a VM, so perhaps the software compatibility is only so deep. Thanks, Alex